Arma 3
Abrams07 2 Jan, 2015 @ 8:46pm
Why ArmaIII isn't even worth $30
I picked up ArmaIII from the steam sale and already regret it. I'm going to explain why as a warning for anyone thinking about getting the game.

First off, no, I am not from CoD. I grew up on flight simulators, played all the Jane's/Novalogic games, and even to this day STILL play Operation Flashpoint: Cold War Crisis. It has always boggled my mind how Codemasters and Bohemia together released one of the best games, but alone, they cant create diddly crap. ArmaI-III have all been horrible. I was hoping III was better but still, its bad.

A few main things.

Graphics

Basically, the Arma engine is trash. I'm using a gtx970 and easily get 80+ frames per second on 64 player BF4 maps. During heavy combat it stays silky smooth, all through the awesome physics, graphics, lighting, destruction, and thousands of objects moving/particles. Contrast this with ArmaIII, it looks significantly worse than BF4 and I can barely get over 20 fps in multiplayer. I can get 35-60 fps in SP, but even large scale SP editor battles start to crawl. I've tried all the fixes available online, but even on mostly low settings with barely 1800 visibility, the game looks and plays like garbage. Vehicles 20 meters away look like boxes. It just sucks... bad. It reminds me of early Crysis engine... the game looks good on higher settings but the engine is built so bad that you need massive CPU and special configuration just to squeak out a good looking game in SP muchless MP.
Some will argue about the draw distance. Again, BF4 on maps like Firestorm/Caspian have far distance rendering, it looks 100x better, and plays 100x smoother. Arma uses a terrible engine.

Damage System

Something that Operation Flashpoint did well for its time. The way tanks darkened when they were hit in certain places, the way the rocked from RPGs, the way the smoke hit the target, crumpled up, etc, for almost 15 years ago was awesome. Even today, it still feels like it has more life than ArmaIII. ArmaIII, there is no visible damage except generic holes/scrapes all over the vehicle. There is no darkening except maybe little scorch marks on tanks prior to death. They don't react to hits, and overall, it just feels lifeless. The generic, rusted looking husks and crappy looking fire is sad for 2014. The blackening and paper crumple effects in CWC were more fun.

AI

A few noticeable things here. In the editor, I've noticed simple "move" and "search and destroy" waypoints causing tanks to spin in circles, get stuck on small rocks, etc. Unloaded units will just sit still for 2 minutes before moving on. Campaign/enemy infantry AI often easily see you through brush, yet if you are prone and moving, they cant see you 2 inches away. Enemies (non-sniper) can sometimes shoot 50 bullets at you and miss every one, other times they insta-kill you with headshot from a regular rifle (example: campaign redo point, encountered this mixture from enemies without sniper rifles).
All around, feels like 2 steps forward, 1 step back from the first OpFlash.

Realism Fail

The game is not a simulator. I know what simulators feel like. I also know the contrast of what arcady games like BF4 feel like. ArmaIII feels like a broken mix between the two. Flying helicopters sideways, rudder pedals not working, and so on. Much of infantry realism comes from frustration, and not "realism." Your soldier is obese, runs 2 feet, and then when you want to aim at something, the reticle sways all over the place horribly. Then he can throw 3 grenades like an olympic hero. Sometimes, even after standing perfectly still, simply turning will cause a ton of reticle sway, so bad that its hard to hit someone 20 meters away. Switching to full auto helps alleviate this because you can just spray the target and conveniently the recoil is low... (unrealistic) Basically, go prone...

Conclusion

Operation Flashpoint: Cold War, for its time, was an amazing game. Of course, it had many limitations. The Arma series sadly falls far from this tree. Each time, we get a new one, it takes prettier screenshots, but plays worse. They are not optimized. They are clunky. "realism" sometimes comes from adding sometimes unrealistic frustration, while physics/flight/damage models are completely half ♥♥♥♥♥. Multiplayer is a slideshow on hardware that effortlessly runs 64 player BF4 multiplayer combat. Arma is filled with visible, noticeable bugs. You can shoot a guy in the knee with a pistol, his body goes rigid, and his ragdoll will flop into the air like he hit a landmine. You are an olympic grenade thrower, but so obese that you cant shoot something 25 meters away after a 5 second sprint.

Overall, Arma just does not live up to its predecessor, even almost 15 years later. It fails so horribly at almost everything other than taking cool screenshots on max settings. But, that "scene" will not play smooth. And, even once you get the settings low enough to be 30-60fps in singleplayer, the game looks bad for 2014. Really bad. Icing on the cake is that the damage/physics are so bad/unfun/unconvicing, that id rather play Cold War Crisis in 2015 to satisfy my military sandbox imagination
Last edited by Abrams07; 5 Jan, 2015 @ 12:08am
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Wolfy 2 Jan, 2015 @ 9:10pm 
A giant recycled complaint.

Frames are an issue for plenty of people - Check
AI isn't well tuned - Check

Arma 3 is a great military simulation, the gameplay can be very rewarding and diverse. Bohemia may not be able to offer the great 80 frames you get on BF4, but that's probably due to the fact that Battlefield maps aren't quite Altis.

Your rant was way too one-sided, made me roll my eyes at another glance-and-forget player. If the game isn't for you, don't slam it. It is not the ♥♥♥♥ you make it out to be.
Sight 2 Jan, 2015 @ 9:13pm 
Originally posted by Wolfy:
A giant recycled complaint.

Frames are an issue for plenty of people - Check
AI isn't well tuned - Check

Arma 3 is a great military simulation, the gameplay can be very rewarding and diverse. Bohemia may not be able to offer the great 80 frames you get on BF4, but that's probably due to the fact that Battlefield maps aren't quite Altis.

Your rant was way too one-sided, made me roll my eyes at another glance-and-forget player. If the game isn't for you, don't slam it. It is not the ♥♥♥♥ you make it out to be.
lmao i have a 1k gaming pc and this game still has alot of problems...
Wolfy 2 Jan, 2015 @ 9:14pm 
Than you wasted 1k? Runs fine for me, much cheaper computer.
Sight 2 Jan, 2015 @ 9:15pm 
Originally posted by Wolfy:
Than you wasted 1k? Runs fine for me, much cheaper computer.
loli didnt waste ♥♥♥♥ ive bulit my computer...
Pèpè Silvia 2 Jan, 2015 @ 9:21pm 
"To start, Arma engine is absolute trash"

Wow, what a real objective way to open up your "review", or should I say rant. Then you compare the game with BF4, which maybe has a fraction of the features that Arma has.

Go play OFP and BF4 if you think they're so much better lol
jallen4861 2 Jan, 2015 @ 9:26pm 
Hey if i were you, I would look into the fps issue. Arma is heavily cpu intensive so if thats not your problem, maybe look on youtube for a fix. I have a much cheaper rig and can get 40-120 fps just fine. I would recommend mods for arma 3 like Epoch and Breaking Pount, even king of the hill is fun. I think you would like it if you can fix the fps issue, and give the mods a shot! Gl man
Persona 2 Jan, 2015 @ 9:30pm 
I paid 25€ in the Alpha, and a few days ago for 30€ for a friend. Invested 500+ hours into the game and still going.

This game is more worth than any other game I spent money on. This game has issues that's true, but which game nowadays is bugfree?
Last edited by Persona; 2 Jan, 2015 @ 9:31pm
Nythra 2 Jan, 2015 @ 9:56pm 
go back to turok
Nickname Pending 2 Jan, 2015 @ 9:59pm 
I have a GTX970 and I get 60+ in multiplayer and higher in SP. It dips down to maybe 40 MP when a lot of action is going on. Even with my older i5 using Ultra settings.. Your computer might be having some issues. Also, if you were really a vetern OFP, you would remember that the series has always been heavily CPU intensive. And it is impossible to take the review seriously when they start off comparing BF4.
Klutch 2 Jan, 2015 @ 10:10pm 
fx 8350 + gtx 680

sweet game on seattle becti, full fps is smooth mostly except large city battles when 40 players are all commanding 10+ ai in telos
Panicsferd 2 Jan, 2015 @ 10:47pm 
Arma 3 is well worth it if you in to this type of genre/game. I have purchased Arma 3 like a year ago (I was planning on getting it back when it was in alpha, but I was still sort of new to that early access and wanted to wait till it was like fully released) and you can also see that I have like 1200 hours on arma 3.

I keep coming back to it because I am having fun with SP missions, and Addons that the communcity comes up with and even making my own SP/MP missions and even full fledge campaigns. Arma 3 may have it's faults, but it does improve on a lot of the faults that we had back in arma 2.

It has almost been expected that it was not going to be optimized form looking back at the previous installations, you have to realize that you cannot compare how this game runs to your other run of the mill FPSs because with those you have fairly tiny straitforward maps which pale in comparison to Altis.

tl;dr: I've played over 1200 hours and I am still playing to this day, so if you are a fan of the previous version of arma then this is a must buy and if you don't like it then quite playing, and quit complaining.
Last edited by Panicsferd; 2 Jan, 2015 @ 10:48pm
=MS=Scout (Banned) 2 Jan, 2015 @ 11:20pm 
Yep, 19.7 hours on the game and we got a new year complainer. We hate you don't like the game but you're beating a dead horse here. We've heard everything. If you're have that much trouble out of it, Please post your complaint over on the Trouble Shooting Forum or better yet just stop playing it and find you a new game.
-=Sp00k=- 2 Jan, 2015 @ 11:48pm 
Fine here... you can't tell the difference between 30 an 120 FPS... unless of course you aren't human. I'm guessing you are 12.
Sight 2 Jan, 2015 @ 11:49pm 
Originally posted by -=Sp00k=-:
Fine here... you can't tell the difference between 30 an 120 FPS... unless of course you aren't human. I'm guessing you are 12.
lmao you prob playing on a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ computer you can tell the diff between 30 and 120 fps once your use to 120 fps and you suddenly change to 30 fps you can tell the diff
Abrams07 2 Jan, 2015 @ 11:57pm 
Originally posted by -=Sp00k=-:
Fine here... you can't tell the difference between 30 an 120 FPS... unless of course you aren't human. I'm guessing you are 12.

I can tell the difference between 50 and 60, muchless 30. I find 30 almost unplayable for any FPS style title.
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