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Jayhova 26 Nov, 2024 @ 7:56am
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Childish Story *SPOILERS*
Just made it to Act 2 after Mordegon kills world tree. About 20 hours in and at this point I expected the story to take a more nuanced and mature turn. Too bad it hasn't. The entire cast are tropes and the villain is a one-dimensional caricature with no personality or real motives. Just "I'm the lord of the darkness har har har." That's lame.

The whole thing has felt like a Saturday morning cartoon. And before anyone says that's just how dragon quest is - I'll stop you right there.

DQ5 story is way more mature and it came out like 20 years ago:
- Death of hero's mother early in life.
- Sold into slavery and spent years imprisoned.
- Loss of their father in a tragic confrontation.
- Villains are not just evil for evil's sake; they pose moral and emotional challenges.
- These moments make the journey deeply personal and impactful.

DQ 7, 8, 9 are also much more mature. Actually I don't think there's any mainline DQ games that is less mature than 11.

And the thing that gets me is... it doesn't make sense to make this series appeal to kids because KIDS DONT BUY DRAGON QUEST. A typical 12 year old kid wants to play minecraft, roblox, fortnite, stuff like that. They will *NEVER* buy DQ. So please stop trying to appeal to them instead of us actual adults who have been playing DQ games for 20+ years.

Here's hoping the next DQ has a radical shift in terms of maturity cause I can't do this again. I don't even know if I'll be able to stomach finishing 11.
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ekurisona 26 Nov, 2024 @ 10:26am 
https://noisypixel.net/dragon-quest-xii-development-difficulties-adult-audience/
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MenjoBleeko 27 Nov, 2024 @ 5:43am 
Bye. No one will miss you. Some of us love the story and the game.
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DonJuanDoja 27 Nov, 2024 @ 6:31am 
I avoided buying the game for the same reason. Then I remembered that the first time I played Dragon Warrior was in the 80s on the NES and I was a CHILD.

Then I also realized sometimes I like childish things, like disney pixar type movies, and I don't need Darkness and Death and Terrible things happening in every piece of entertainment I consume.

In fact, that's probably bad for your brain, to stay stuck in the darkness like that.

I've consumed so much dark shocking content over the years, eventually I got sick of it, most of it is forced, they aren't good stories, just dark terrible shocking stories, that's not good. It's bad. Especially if that's all you want, and you can't really consume anything else.

This game is like a breath of fresh air in a putrid toxic environment full of horror and darkness.

It brings me back to the time I wasn't so worried about everything, now I'm worried about you, and the other people stuck in the darkness. I was there, it's not a good place.

It's like somewhere along the way, bad things became good, people Want the darkness and terror, they want to be Bad Ass. Well let me tell you, I spent a long time being "Bad" and liking "Bad" things. It's not Good. Trust me.

If you can't find your way out, follow the light. Not the Darkness. Good Luck.
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Jayhova 27 Nov, 2024 @ 6:42am 
Originally posted by MenjoBleeko:
Bye. No one will miss you. Some of us love the story and the game.


What do you love about the story?
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Jayhova 27 Nov, 2024 @ 6:50am 
Originally posted by DonJuanDoja:
I avoided buying the game for the same reason. Then I remembered that the first time I played Dragon Warrior was in the 80s on the NES and I was a CHILD.

Then I also realized sometimes I like childish things, like disney pixar type movies, and I don't need Darkness and Death and Terrible things happening in every piece of entertainment I consume.

In fact, that's probably bad for your brain, to stay stuck in the darkness like that.

I've consumed so much dark shocking content over the years, eventually I got sick of it, most of it is forced, they aren't good stories, just dark terrible shocking stories, that's not good. It's bad. Especially if that's all you want, and you can't really consume anything else.

This game is like a breath of fresh air in a putrid toxic environment full of horror and darkness.

It brings me back to the time I wasn't so worried about everything, now I'm worried about you, and the other people stuck in the darkness. I was there, it's not a good place.

It's like somewhere along the way, bad things became good, people Want the darkness and terror, they want to be Bad Ass. Well let me tell you, I spent a long time being "Bad" and liking "Bad" things. It's not Good. Trust me.

If you can't find your way out, follow the light. Not the Darkness. Good Luck.

The 80s games were not immature though. Just because you played them as a child doesn’t mean they were immature.

I used to play Quake 3 and Unreal Tournament when I was like 9, doesn’t mean the games are meant for 9 year olds.
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スレナ 28 Nov, 2024 @ 11:33pm 
well they don't appeal to any of us, they made DQ 11 with Japan in mind, and in Japan DQ is mainly played by younger audiences, although many adults still play because its Dragon Quest and everyone loves it since they grew up with it

the game uses straightforward kanji (in Japanese obviously) and provides the spelling for each kanji, since mainly children play it and they are still learning

It does exactly what it was intended to do

sorry you had a bad experience with the game, and i can understand the frustration
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Hekteur 29 Nov, 2024 @ 1:37pm 
really strange indeed because the game designer himself said he intentionally made the story for dq11 darker than what DQ series did before. The graphic and general tone are indeed very cartoony, but no, the story is not more childish than previous DQ titles.
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Jayhova 29 Nov, 2024 @ 2:03pm 
Originally posted by マルティナ:
Japan DQ is mainly played by younger audiences

No it's not. It's an almost 40 year old series and japan barely has any young people.
Last edited by Jayhova; 29 Nov, 2024 @ 2:08pm
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DonJuanDoja 29 Nov, 2024 @ 11:01pm 
Originally posted by Jayhova:
Originally posted by DonJuanDoja:
I avoided buying the game for the same reason. Then I remembered that the first time I played Dragon Warrior was in the 80s on the NES and I was a CHILD.

Then I also realized sometimes I like childish things, like disney pixar type movies, and I don't need Darkness and Death and Terrible things happening in every piece of entertainment I consume.

In fact, that's probably bad for your brain, to stay stuck in the darkness like that.

I've consumed so much dark shocking content over the years, eventually I got sick of it, most of it is forced, they aren't good stories, just dark terrible shocking stories, that's not good. It's bad. Especially if that's all you want, and you can't really consume anything else.

This game is like a breath of fresh air in a putrid toxic environment full of horror and darkness.

It brings me back to the time I wasn't so worried about everything, now I'm worried about you, and the other people stuck in the darkness. I was there, it's not a good place.

It's like somewhere along the way, bad things became good, people Want the darkness and terror, they want to be Bad Ass. Well let me tell you, I spent a long time being "Bad" and liking "Bad" things. It's not Good. Trust me.

If you can't find your way out, follow the light. Not the Darkness. Good Luck.

The 80s games were not immature though. Just because you played them as a child doesn’t mean they were immature.

I used to play Quake 3 and Unreal Tournament when I was like 9, doesn’t mean the games are meant for 9 year olds.

Yea they were. I don't see anything "mature" in the original dragon warrior games.

I turned a dog into a princess with a magic mirror, and we fought slimes and ants and crap, it's a kids game no matter what you say.

I know people don't like being wrong, but you're wrong. None of the games were rated mature. So they are officially not mature. Anyone could buy them.

If there was any maturity to it it would've been Rated and kids wouldn't be able to buy it.

It's OFFICIAL, it's a kids game, that adults can also play if they want. Like Mario or any of the others from back then. It's not a "Mature" game by any means, never has been never will be.

Just because YOU think something is true doesn't mean it is.
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Jayhova 30 Nov, 2024 @ 5:37am 
Originally posted by DonJuanDoja:
Originally posted by Jayhova:

The 80s games were not immature though. Just because you played them as a child doesn’t mean they were immature.

I used to play Quake 3 and Unreal Tournament when I was like 9, doesn’t mean the games are meant for 9 year olds.

Yea they were. I don't see anything "mature" in the original dragon warrior games.

I turned a dog into a princess with a magic mirror, and we fought slimes and ants and crap, it's a kids game no matter what you say.

I know people don't like being wrong, but you're wrong. None of the games were rated mature. So they are officially not mature. Anyone could buy them.

If there was any maturity to it it would've been Rated and kids wouldn't be able to buy it.

It's OFFICIAL, it's a kids game, that adults can also play if they want. Like Mario or any of the others from back then. It's not a "Mature" game by any means, never has been never will be.

Just because YOU think something is true doesn't mean it is.

Nah, you have no idea what you’re talking about.
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MenjoBleeko 30 Nov, 2024 @ 6:57am 
Originally posted by Jayhova:
Originally posted by DonJuanDoja:

Yea they were. I don't see anything "mature" in the original dragon warrior games.

I turned a dog into a princess with a magic mirror, and we fought slimes and ants and crap, it's a kids game no matter what you say.

I know people don't like being wrong, but you're wrong. None of the games were rated mature. So they are officially not mature. Anyone could buy them.

If there was any maturity to it it would've been Rated and kids wouldn't be able to buy it.

It's OFFICIAL, it's a kids game, that adults can also play if they want. Like Mario or any of the others from back then. It's not a "Mature" game by any means, never has been never will be.

Just because YOU think something is true doesn't mean it is.

Nah, you have no idea what you’re talking about.

Know how I know you don't know a damn thing about gaming history?

The ESRB didn't exist until 1994. By definition, game ratings weren't a thing until then. Japan didn't have a rating system until 2006 (CERO).

DQ 1-8 didn't have ratings in Japan because RATINGS DIDN'T EXIST THERE YET.

DQ1-5 released prior to the formation of the ESRB and game ratings. They weren't rated ANYTHING when they came out in the USA. It was games like Mortal Kombat that led to the foundation of the ESRB and rating system.

Please educate yourself. A game's rating (or lack thereof) for older games has nothing to do with whether it's a "kids game" or not. Ghosts and Goblins for the NES has you descending literally into hell to fight Satan and Lucifer (somehow two different entities) yet isn't rated M - because *ratings didn't exist then.*

Other countries and Europe have similar issues with their rating systems.

You know nothing. Confidently incorrect - must be someone under the age of 30.
Last edited by MenjoBleeko; 30 Nov, 2024 @ 6:58am
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Jayhova 30 Nov, 2024 @ 7:32am 
Originally posted by MenjoBleeko:
Originally posted by Jayhova:

Nah, you have no idea what you’re talking about.

Know how I know you don't know a damn thing about gaming history?

The ESRB didn't exist until 1994. By definition, game ratings weren't a thing until then. Japan didn't have a rating system until 2006 (CERO).

DQ 1-8 didn't have ratings in Japan because RATINGS DIDN'T EXIST THERE YET.

DQ1-5 released prior to the formation of the ESRB and game ratings. They weren't rated ANYTHING when they came out in the USA. It was games like Mortal Kombat that led to the foundation of the ESRB and rating system.

Please educate yourself. A game's rating (or lack thereof) for older games has nothing to do with whether it's a "kids game" or not. Ghosts and Goblins for the NES has you descending literally into hell to fight Satan and Lucifer (somehow two different entities) yet isn't rated M - because *ratings didn't exist then.*

Other countries and Europe have similar issues with their rating systems.

You know nothing. Confidently incorrect - must be someone under the age of 30.

Dead wrong. Mature ratings (M) are mostly for extreme violence, nudity, gore—not the sophistication of a narrative.

I'm not advocating for Dragon Quest characters to engage in over-the-top, gory, or explicit content. What I want is a mature story—one that tackles complex themes, deep emotional arcs, and thought-provoking conflicts.

Plenty of T rated games and PG-13 movies (Hotel Rwanda, Forrest Gump, Uncharted, Horizon Zero Dawn, etc.) achieve this.
Last edited by Jayhova; 30 Nov, 2024 @ 7:35am
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LordKaiserX0 30 Nov, 2024 @ 7:33am 
It's ok to have a less dark story now and then and XI was still quite dark. Sometimes it's refreshing to have a simpler less edgy story now and then as it gives some variety to the franchise. Maybe this is the reason why I like FFV and IX as well.
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Jayhova 30 Nov, 2024 @ 7:41am 
Originally posted by LordKaiserX0:
It's ok to have a less dark story now and then and XI was still quite dark. Sometimes it's refreshing to have a simpler less edgy story now and then as it gives some variety to the franchise. Maybe this is the reason why I like FFV and IX as well.

FF IX was pretty grim. Just because it has colorful graphics doesn't make it immature.

There's literally a mist over the entire planet that if people walk into they go crazy and die, or transform into monsters. And vivi spends half the game realizing he's a cheap manufactured machine that is going to die soon. Garnett having to deal with her evil mother, etc. It hits hard.
Last edited by Jayhova; 30 Nov, 2024 @ 7:42am
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LordKaiserX0 30 Nov, 2024 @ 9:08am 
The chapter 2 of DQ XI was also very grim with very bad things happening left and right. It was practically the ruined world of FFVI the only difference was that the Luminary had the power to create a new time line without any of this happening
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