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James-Game 11 Jan, 2022 @ 2:41pm
Environmental Protest - No way to end it?
Hi All,

so I keep improving my 'Environment' as this to me is the logical way to end 'Environmental Protest' however, I see that it has a 'green arrow' so only increases it.

This ultimately means that 100% of the population become 'Environmentalists' as part of their profile.
Last edited by James-Game; 11 Jan, 2022 @ 2:46pm
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AturUwU 11 Jan, 2022 @ 9:26pm 
Again you missunderstand the system, maybe post a screenshot so that I can see what your doing wrong
Akiflyer 14 Jul, 2023 @ 4:03am 
I have the same problem. I don't get it. Seems like the more I focus on fixing environmental issues the more environment protests I get. Seems like the only way to get rid of environment protests is to get rid of the environment factions.
cliffski  [developer] 14 Jul, 2023 @ 6:53am 
This could be an issue with complacency. Environmentalists may be less happy than they should be, because they have taken earlier decisions for granted. You can check complacency and cynicism on the voter groups screen.
Also, you may have inadequate measures to prevent protests. A lot of law and order policies reduce the likelihood of protests.
kingdibble 8 Mar, 2024 @ 2:31pm 
Originally posted by cliffski:
This could be an issue with complacency. Environmentalists may be less happy than they should be, because they have taken earlier decisions for granted. You can check complacency and cynicism on the voter groups screen.
Also, you may have inadequate measures to prevent protests. A lot of law and order policies reduce the likelihood of protests.

The Environmental protesters are linked to the number of Environmentalists. Pretty much all the policies that improve the environment increase the number of Environmentalists. So basically the more you fix the environment the more people get angry about it. I think that is where the problem is. Fixing the environment should reduce the number of people that care about it. Also once all energy is green and all cars are electric why do cars still damage the environment just as much?
cliffski  [developer] 9 Mar, 2024 @ 5:13am 
There are many more environmental issues than EVs and Renewable energy. There is also air pollution, and polluted rivers and oceans, poor treatment of wildlife etc, use of pesticides, microplastics and so on. Its a big topic!
jiazhen.wang 12 Apr, 2024 @ 9:03pm 
I know the environmental issue is a big topic, but why can't tear Gas, rubber bullets and water cannons have any effect on environmental protest? I mean they work well for all other protest, no way only these environmentalist is anything special.

Originally posted by cliffski:
There are many more environmental issues than EVs and Renewable energy. There is also air pollution, and polluted rivers and oceans, poor treatment of wildlife etc, use of pesticides, microplastics and so on. Its a big topic!
cliffski  [developer] 13 Apr, 2024 @ 1:21am 
They definitely do have an impact, but its not complete. You cannot stop all protest by force, but you can reduce its likelihood. Also, sometimes, under certain circumstances, protests are just going to happen. There is no democracy around the world that doesn't regularly have protests, despite the bets efforts of politicians :D
With environmental protests this is even more inevitable, as its a global problem, so the protests are only partially directed at the current government.
jiazhen.wang 13 Apr, 2024 @ 7:10am 
Originally posted by cliffski:
They definitely do have an impact, but its not complete. You cannot stop all protest by force, but you can reduce its likelihood. Also, sometimes, under certain circumstances, protests are just going to happen. There is no democracy around the world that doesn't regularly have protests, despite the bets efforts of politicians :D
With environmental protests this is even more inevitable, as its a global problem, so the protests are only partially directed at the current government.

Understandable, but can it at least make tear Gas, rubber bullets and water cannons reduce the scale of the environmentalist protest? They probably can't solve it completely, but at least it should help. Not only prevent the event from happening, but also help to reduce the scale if it's already happened.

Or can we have the law like restricting how protest is regulated? For example, in China if you didn't get a permission to protest, then the protest will be illegal, and unless this is a protest about supporting the current government, it's very unlikely to be approved. Therefore basically all protest in China is illegal, can compare to western world, China have relatively very low rate of protest since they will usually just end up in jail...
cliffski  [developer] 14 Apr, 2024 @ 1:31pm 
I have to admit I thought that those policies *did* affect environmental protests. I shall make a note of this, and when I get the chance, I'll update it!
QuickQuery 14 Jun @ 11:40pm 
At 100% environment quality and all possible environment policies applied, the protests still don't end
cliffski  [developer] 16 Jun @ 1:29am 
At a certain point, the global damage to the environment is probably upsetting enough environmentalists that they still protest. AT that point the only way to stop them tis to clamp down on protest rights.
In some ways the protests are not a real problem. All democracies have ongoing protests, but as long as your party still has majority support at each election its ok. Many of the protesters will still vote for you.
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