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Captain Swiftmo 30 May, 2021 @ 10:07am
I Made a Tier List
Made this after playing the game long enough to unlock and try all of Amelie's units out. This is my opinion on how strong each of the units are.
https://tiermaker.com/list/video-games/vivid-knight-1045816/1392405

I'll explain my reasoning for the S and A tier units:

S Tier Explanation

Forest Queen Sapphire - Strong multi-target damage, and reduces red gem cooldowns (this is mostly why S tier).

King's Shield Bron - Best main tank in the game. The only one that can effectively face tank bosses without flinching.

King's Sword Rubela - Insane single target damage, great at killing bosses and strong enemies.

Peridot the Inventor - One of the strongest if not the strongest AoE DPS in the game

Thunder Lion Topaz - He does somersaults.. enough said. (but also AoE shock and decent single target damage. Just wish his speed was a bit higher.)

Sun Knight Sol - Extremely strong boss killer.

Moon Knight Lune - Also extremely strong boss killer. Combined with Sol they delete bosses.


A Tier Explanation
Claude the Watchman In my opinion one of the best bronze units in the game. I usually keep him around until later when I can build a full gold team because he's insane as an off tank.

Handmaiden Morion - A very strong single target killer. She somewhat pales in comparison to the other golds, however. Attacking twice per turn with a small damage boost isn't quite enough for me to put her in S tier.

Labla the Astrologer - Labla paired with orange or anyone that can give him true strike guarantees cooldown reduction on all gems. It's pretty broken.

Masked Jet - One of the best early game DPS. Easily stronger than most silver DPS units. On top of strong damage output early on, also has good survivability with illusion. Often in my teams until I can replace him with a gold team.

Warrior Nun Siris - Strong single target attack, possibly S tier with Moon Knight Lune on your team since they're clearly meant to combo-kill bosses (Lune has 21 speed and casts Moonlight 8, Siris has 20 speed and does a whopping 300% magic damage attack right after). However, without Lune I think Siris is only an A tier.
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Coxatris 30 May, 2021 @ 10:38am 
I also love Claude. His skill adds freeze and does magic damage. What a beast of a bronze.
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AncientSpark 30 May, 2021 @ 11:28am 
Morion is not really worse than Rubiela, in my experience, although Rubiela is easier to plug and play if you happen to get a random one.

Morion after skill activation is a 260% damage unit per round (so +160% damage per round over normal), while Rubiela hits for 420% (or +320% damage on round of activation). Since skill activate rate seems to hover around 50%, this means that Rubiela is actually operating at about +160% damage per round average, which is the exact same as Morion.

Morion does have the issue that it takes longer for her damage to come out due to having to wait for buffs. On the flipside, though, she has more scaling mechanisms, as she scales extra with Justice 2/4, and has better symbols (Black > Red unless you have a ton of Red, and while Fool is very powerful, it's very impractical to get off the ground). Mostly, Morion requires Orange 3 to work properly, but that's not *that* hard of an ask.

Since I find Red and Fool to mostly be traps except in specific scenarios, this means that in my experience, I'm usually searching for Morion more than Rubiela when it gets down to end-game unless I haven't obtained Orange 3 at some point.
Last edited by AncientSpark; 30 May, 2021 @ 11:43am
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Izunyami 30 May, 2021 @ 4:37pm 
What's your argument for Chrome? Self-healing 20% hp on top of being tanky has made him a great sub-tank alongside Bron for me. Also no healers? Or just a work in progress?

Oh, the image has more listed. Now I'm more curious why you put Chrome as B. Also Selen and Petri at C, under other healers?
Last edited by Izunyami; 30 May, 2021 @ 5:05pm
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AncientSpark 30 May, 2021 @ 6:38pm 
I personally don't know the tier maker's argument, but Chrome at B rank seems about correct to me, at least in higher Witch's Castle. The fact he provides no utility and can't protect anyone but himself means that it's desirable to transition out of him near the end of the castle, as a lot of what kills you is AoE and offense does become enough of a concern that unless you got the god defense build (which is hard on Witch's Castle 4+), you can't really rely on him as sub-tank either.

I could actually see him in C tier, although I don't think he's that low in reality because mid-castle is a pretty difficult area and he does do a decent job of carrying there (and it's hard to really put any Shield symbol unit below B tier anyway in reality).

I wholly agree that Selen and Petri should not be at C tier though. High B tier at least.

Also, I think the tier maker has just not messed around much with Truestrike/Forest builds, because a lot of the components to that build seem underrated (For example, Morgan is probably one of the few Bronzes that can justify 3 starring, if you get an early Traveling Salesman, for example, it's just a little commital to use her due to her build really requiring those two + White, which is not that common).
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Captain Swiftmo 30 May, 2021 @ 6:50pm 
Originally posted by Izunyami:
What's your argument for Chrome? Self-healing 20% hp on top of being tanky has made him a great sub-tank alongside Bron for me. Also no healers? Or just a work in progress?

Oh, the image has more listed. Now I'm more curious why you put Chrome as B. Also Selen and Petri at C, under other healers?

AncientSpark basically answered this perfectly for me regarding Chrome. Usually I'm able to get by with Claude or any of the B tier tanks until I'm able to replace them with gold tier units. I tend to hard save gold and stockpile up about 500-600+ gold when I get to the point that gold units are 10%+ availability, and most silvers usually just get put on the side-burner for me, especially the tanks who cannot effectively tank the later levels.


Healers on the other hand to me so far have been pretty lackluster since I usually run triple Plum Crest and 2 White most games. Plum Crest alone is typically more than enough for me to get by on self-heals at least long enough to make it to the healing gem again. Plus sometimes if I need more I'll run a heal gem or healing potion in my gems to complement that. So I'm pretty biased, basically haven't felt the need to run healers yet.
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Captain Swiftmo 30 May, 2021 @ 6:54pm 
Originally posted by AncientSpark:
Also, I think the tier maker has just not messed around much with Truestrike/Forest builds, because a lot of the components to that build seem underrated (For example, Morgan is probably one of the few Bronzes that can justify 3 starring, if you get an early Traveling Salesman, for example, it's just a little commital to use her due to her build really requiring those two + White, which is not that common).

You're absolutely right, I don't think I've ever actually given Morgan a fair chance yet. Usually when I get her I just 2 star for the traits and sell instantly after. Usually I do Truestrike in the form of Orange and sometimes Amber the Explorer to 3 star. I've only actually really tried forest a few times, and I haven't gotten a run to able to get more than 5 yet. Forest Truestrike does seem pretty good though, so I probably should actually bump Morgan up.

Also regarding Morion, I think you're right in that I should've paired Morion and Rubela together on the tier list. I was kinda iffy about Rubela too being in S tier tbh, but the fact that he hits 6 times is the reason I put him in S instead of A, cause he can kill 1 enemy with say 1-5 hits, then keep hitting another enemy with the rest of the hits. (or at least that's what it seemed he was doing last I was playing before I made that tier list). So that extra value of being able to finish off a low HP target and keep hitting multiple times made me value Rubela slightly higher than Morion.
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Izunyami 30 May, 2021 @ 7:00pm 
Originally posted by AncientSpark:
I personally don't know the tier maker's argument, but Chrome at B rank seems about correct to me, at least in higher Witch's Castle. The fact he provides no utility and can't protect anyone but himself means that it's desirable to transition out of him near the end of the castle, as a lot of what kills you is AoE and offense does become enough of a concern that unless you got the god defense build (which is hard on Witch's Castle 4+), you can't really rely on him as sub-tank either.

I could actually see him in C tier, although I don't think he's that low in reality because mid-castle is a pretty difficult area and he does do a decent job of carrying there (and it's hard to really put any Shield symbol unit below B tier anyway in reality).

I wholly agree that Selen and Petri should not be at C tier though. High B tier at least.

Fair points. I think there's value in Chrome towards the end if you can gold star him and you have bad luck pulling shields/heals gems, but what you say is a good argument there. I definitely don't think he should be C-tier though; he's still a strong tank in himself (plus does magic damage on his skill attack). And giving green/shield symbols means he's great to use until you can upgrade him to silver, just to get that extra boost to those valuable symbols.

As for the healers, I can see an argument for Selen not being too high, since she's just a single-target heal (although illusion is great). But Petri popping 120 barrier at gold (or 60 at silver) is huge. It makes any deficient in symbols (or just additional protection beyond that) less of a problem.
Last edited by Izunyami; 30 May, 2021 @ 7:03pm
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