The recoil on that shotty did send me off an edge once, fulm can inflict electric blitz, so it is still useful, like say as a secondary slot option, deus ex is still great if you like being passive, and it also pairs well with the shotty as a second slot choice.

Nah these are decent sidegrades. Falcon Eyes is still massively superior for building up stagger compared to Icarus, and puppet string is still goated as far as ranged options go and Cataclysm is just a physical damage alternative to Fulminis, and still a lot weaker whenever puppets are involved.

Also Icarus' fable attack is... underwhelming, to say the least. Low damage and doesn't stagger. Waste of fable if you ask me. Aegis is infinitely better for dealing with groups.

Originally posted by Silly Goober:

Nah these are decent sidegrades. Falcon Eyes is still massively superior for building up stagger compared to Icarus, and puppet string is still goated as far as ranged options go and Cataclysm is just a physical damage alternative to Fulminis, and still a lot weaker whenever puppets are involved.

Also Icarus' fable attack is... underwhelming, to say the least. Low damage and doesn't stagger. Waste of fable if you ask me. Aegis is infinitely better for dealing with groups.

Icarus acts like a physical dot, throw blade the rush the enemy, and try to keep them in the blades area, kinda like how you play pandemonium, the fable attack is pretty good too is you get a bunch of mobs around you as it hits behind you, niche, but still useful.

Originally posted by zmanbuilder:

Originally posted by Silly Goober:

Nah these are decent sidegrades. Falcon Eyes is still massively superior for building up stagger compared to Icarus, and puppet string is still goated as far as ranged options go and Cataclysm is just a physical damage alternative to Fulminis, and still a lot weaker whenever puppets are involved.

Also Icarus' fable attack is... underwhelming, to say the least. Low damage and doesn't stagger. Waste of fable if you ask me. Aegis is infinitely better for dealing with groups.

Icarus acts like a physical dot, throw blade the rush the enemy, and try to keep them in the blades area, kinda like how you play pandemonium, the fable attack is pretty good too is you get a bunch of mobs around you as it hits behind you, niche, but still useful.

I've yet to see Icarus' fable attack do more than 200 damage, there's infinitely better options for dealing with groups of weak enemies that require precise positioning and don't cost fable to use.

Originally posted by Silly Goober:

Nah these are decent sidegrades. Falcon Eyes is still massively superior for building up stagger compared to Icarus, and puppet string is still goated as far as ranged options go and Cataclysm is just a physical damage alternative to Fulminis, and still a lot weaker whenever puppets are involved.

Also Icarus' fable attack is... underwhelming, to say the least. Low damage and doesn't stagger. Waste of fable if you ask me. Aegis is infinitely better for dealing with groups.

Fair, I just haven't been playing around stagger lately, so Damage = Better has been the rule. I've been splitting weapons between "mobbing" and "dueling", since some feel better against groups (like Puppet Ripper), while others feel better against bosses and minibosses (like Pickaxe). LolPhysics, which I grabbed first, feels very underrated on both fronts.

On the dueling side, the damage output on its gets very high once it gains the ability to throw 2 at once. I also found out that legion strikes activate Arm of God, letting LolPhysics max the stacks with just one throw.

On the mobbing side, there's some hidden uses. Yeah, if you let the enemies group up a bit and step back to give yourself time to charge, Fulminis can drop a lot of dudes at the same time. However, the point of LolPhysics isn't to shotgun instakill people, it's to do consistent damage without stopping or putting you at risk. The Fable will do a few hundred damage to enemies in a large circle around you, and it stays in place even if you move. If you're surrounded, this gives you a better chance, and if you're getting pushed by multiple enemies, you can pop this and then backstep. They take more damage at the center, and they take damage on the blades' return trip, which is worth 1 fable.

Originally posted by Netsa:

Originally posted by Silly Goober:

Nah these are decent sidegrades. Falcon Eyes is still massively superior for building up stagger compared to Icarus, and puppet string is still goated as far as ranged options go and Cataclysm is just a physical damage alternative to Fulminis, and still a lot weaker whenever puppets are involved.

Also Icarus' fable attack is... underwhelming, to say the least. Low damage and doesn't stagger. Waste of fable if you ask me. Aegis is infinitely better for dealing with groups.

it stays in place even if you move. If you're surrounded, this gives you a better chance, and if you're getting pushed by multiple enemies, you can pop this and then backstep. They take more damage at the center, and they take damage on the blades' return trip, which is worth 1 fable.

Or you can just use a grenade or canister to do 3x as much damage to the group of enemies thats bothering you.

I find chip damage not very useful if my weapon will still kill the enemies in the same 2-3 hits afterwards, but you do you.

Originally posted by Silly Goober:

Originally posted by Netsa:

it stays in place even if you move. If you're surrounded, this gives you a better chance, and if you're getting pushed by multiple enemies, you can pop this and then backstep. They take more damage at the center, and they take damage on the blades' return trip, which is worth 1 fable.

Or you can just use a grenade or canister to do 3x as much damage to the group of enemies thats bothering you.

If you're going to start comparing legion arms to throwables, all legion arms always lose in every comparison. Let's not. One is a consumable item you're only allowed to use a certain number of times, the other one recharges for free.

Originally posted by Silly Goober:

I've yet to see Icarus' fable attack do more than 200 damage

How is that possible unless you have bad stats? I just did some testing now and my LolPhysics fable is consistently doing between 300-500 damage. My stats are balanced, which helps, but they're also kind of low (22 motive, 22 tech, and I don't have the Legion Amulet). Remember, that's a large AoE attack while being incredibly safe to use.

Originally posted by Netsa:

Originally posted by Silly Goober:

Or you can just use a grenade or canister to do 3x as much damage to the group of enemies thats bothering you.

If you're going to start comparing legion arms to throwables, all legion arms always lose in every comparison. Let's not. One is a consumable item you're only allowed to use a certain number of times, the other one recharges for free.

I've yet to even find a situation where you're surrounded by enemies, which can not be avoided by singling out enemies with puppet string.

No matter how you twist and turn it, I just don't think it's very good. And consumable items are part of the game, if you don't use them to get past a part you'll never have to do again, that's up to you. But as I said, you do you. Personally I find spending fable for 200 aoe damage not very good. If we're talking strictly legion arms, pandaemonium, falcon eyes, deus ex and aegis all have better crowd control, damage and do not cost fable to use.

I like Icarus for single target damage, but that move in particular ive yet to ever find useful compared to just equipping a different fable arm or just positioning myself better and not running into the middle of a room filled with enemies.

If you like it, more power to you, i personally really don't like it. Has never done anything for me that circle strafing and throwing some regular blades into the middle of a group of enemies didn't do better.

Oh, note that the Fable also inherits the glowing damage buff.

Originally posted by Silly Goober:

I've yet to even find a situation where you're surrounded by enemies, which can not be avoided by singling out enemies with puppet string.

No matter how you twist and turn it, I just don't think it's very good. And consumable items are part of the game, if you don't use them to get past a part you'll never have to do again, that's up to you. But as I said, you do you. Personally I find spending fable for 200 aoe damage not very good. If we're talking strictly legion arms, pandaemonium, falcon eyes, deus ex and aegis all have better crowd control, damage and do not cost fable to use.

I like Icarus for single target damage, but that move in particular ive yet to ever find useful compared to just equipping a different fable arm or just positioning myself better and not running into the middle of a room filled with enemies.

If you like it, more power to you, i personally really don't like it. Has never done anything that circle strafing and throwing some regular blades into the middle of a group of enemies didn't do better.

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If you're able to single out enemies with Puppet String, you're not surrounded.

There's nothing I'm twisting here, it costs 1 fable to do medium damage to a large group. And like I just explained above, it does a lot more than 200 damage, it sounds like you only tested it on the yard dummies with suboptimal stats. The other legions can do similar damage to a tight group, but they need a tight group. The range on this is much wider, which means it still hits if your enemy moves around a lot.

And mentioning again how safe this thing is because Panda has a long animation, Deus Ex has a long animation, and Aegis is a shield. Falcon Eyes, meanwhile, needs a tight group and doesn't get to enjoy LolPhysics's high single-target damage. The only legion arm that really competes with it (besides the yolo shotty) is Puppet String.

That's why I said in the OP that they don't invalidate Puppet String, because Puppet String's range is gamebreakingly long, and the stagger damage on jump/gut-punch is gamebreakingly high. If you already got addicted to Puppet String before the end of the game, the only combo that makes sense is Puppet String+Boomstick.