It's more that weretiger is massively overpowered than summons being weak.

Originally posted by 5000 pound nephew:

It's more that weretiger is massively overpowered than summons being weak.

Summons aren't weak, they are slow. There's no Increased Attack Speed/Movement Speed for Summons. So they lag behind.

Originally posted by Grandork:

Originally posted by 5000 pound nephew:

It's more that weretiger is massively overpowered than summons being weak.

Summons aren't weak, they are slow. There's no Increased Attack Speed/Movement Speed for Summons. So they lag behind.

There is a skill that teleports all of them to your target though, so move speed isn't a big deal. And actually there is minion movement speed affix.

Yeah even post-nerf the summoner build is still absolutely cracked. You kinda hit a critical mass once you have their self-summoning setup correctly. I ended up with crows+swords+shadow panthers+hydras all summoning themselves and became completely untouchable. Only thing I had to press was the mana pot every now and then because you'll insta-drain your MP

Originally posted by Grandork:

Since so many people have been talking about it. I decided to try it out myself. Got to say, I'm quite underwhelmed.

By the time I finish a map with the summoner, I could finish 3 maps with the Weretiger build. Summons are just too slow.

How far are you? The Starter Summons are nothing crazy, later when you Auto Cast Swords from Exorcist+Hashashin you clear Maps by just walking from Boss to Boss

Originally posted by Misfit:

Originally posted by Grandork:

Since so many people have been talking about it. I decided to try it out myself. Got to say, I'm quite underwhelmed.

By the time I finish a map with the summoner, I could finish 3 maps with the Weretiger build. Summons are just too slow.

How far are you? The Starter Summons are nothing crazy, later when you Auto Cast Swords from Exorcist+Hashashin you clear Maps by just walking from Boss to Boss

Not that far. I stopped playing the game, since I did everything on my werewolf. I will just wait for more updates.

I must have had my summoner built wrong because I'd summon like 5 shadow cats and they would go down in seconds even with every HP% thing attached to them. I had weretiger as one of my other classes and it's been super fun with him (only got into trouble a few times to deadly/vampiric enemies) or I got stunlocked. People said ice tiger is pretty op so I think I'm gonna get the respec book and change up my classes.

Originally posted by XxX I Am The Rage XxX:

I must have had my summoner built wrong because I'd summon like 5 shadow cats and they would go down in seconds even with every HP% thing attached to them. I had weretiger as one of my other classes and it's been super fun with him (only got into trouble a few times to deadly/vampiric enemies) or I got stunlocked. People said ice tiger is pretty op so I think I'm gonna get the respec book and change up my classes.

Ice Tiger doesn't have Movement Speed modifier to his buff. So while strong, it's slow.

Nice thing about a Tiger Build is to zoom at +120% movement speed through the map and decimate everything.

Originally posted by Grandork:

Ice Tiger doesn't have Movement Speed modifier to his buff. So while strong, it's slow.

Nice thing about a Tiger Build is to zoom at +120% movement speed through the map and decimate everything.

Yeah. I know about his slow movement. One thing I've been doing that's been getting me into hot water in the hell rifts is trying to facetank an entire mob and then watching my health go down fast because a deadly/vampiric guy touched me. I'm only on rift level 4 and I've already had 2 close calls. I don't know how I'm supposed to get to 50 on Xbox lol. I might not ever pull it off. I also don't know why they made the achievements for the hell gates different on Xbox than on Steam. It's nonsensical.

Originally posted by XxX I Am The Rage XxX:

Originally posted by Grandork:

Ice Tiger doesn't have Movement Speed modifier to his buff. So while strong, it's slow.

Nice thing about a Tiger Build is to zoom at +120% movement speed through the map and decimate everything.

Yeah. I know about his slow movement. One thing I've been doing that's been getting me into hot water in the hell rifts is trying to facetank an entire mob and then watching my health go down fast because a deadly/vampiric guy touched me. I'm only on rift level 4 and I've already had 2 close calls. I don't know how I'm supposed to get to 50 on Xbox lol. I might not ever pull it off. I also don't know why they made the achievements for the hell gates different on Xbox than on Steam. It's nonsensical.

What are you having issues with? I blasted through everything like a hot knife through butter.

Make sure your 4 Food Buffs are all Critical Chance. Try to get as high Critical Chance as Possible.

Make sure to have a lot of Buff Multiplier, so that Roar will give you 80%+ HP.

Make sure ALL of your glyphs are at least magical (you can forge them into magical).

Make sure you all Resistant Capped and have a good amount of Absorbe.

I never came anywhere near dying. Was dealing 40k+ damage per auto attack and everything just died.

Originally posted by Grandork:

What are you having issues with? I blasted through everything like a hot knife through butter.

Make sure your 4 Food Buffs are all Critical Chance. Try to get as high Critical Chance as Possible.

Make sure to have a lot of Buff Multiplier, so that Roar will give you 80%+ HP.

Make sure ALL of your glyphs are at least magical (you can forge them into magical).

Make sure you all Resistant Capped and have a good amount of Absorbe.

I never came anywhere near dying. Was dealing 40k+ damage per auto attack and everything just died.

Thanks for the helpful info!

Originally posted by Grandork:

Since so many people have been talking about it. I decided to try it out myself. Got to say, I'm quite underwhelmed.

By the time I finish a map with the summoner, I could finish 3 maps with the Weretiger build. Summons are just too slow.

I think you may be doing something wrong.. I am playing Summoner and I have a really min/max weretiger and its not even close to my summons clear speed, usually killing everything off screen. Granted I have only farmed up to hell 3 with both.

Either way neither can compare to how broken Cast on crit is... Not even close, Cast on crit is going to get nerfed 100% its so broken. You can make your combined dash skill free to cast, with 0 cooldown, It auto casts spells from cast on movement, the spells also proc off crits. So you can dash cast a storm, which ticks so fast, the storm crits, then procs more storms from its own critical strikes which then causes a chain reaction of storms to spawn all over the screen lol.. You literally kill any boss in seconds... Enjoy it while you can, it will get nerfed. This game has some serious balance issues, but it is very fun.

Originally posted by Paragon:

Originally posted by Grandork:

Since so many people have been talking about it. I decided to try it out myself. Got to say, I'm quite underwhelmed.

By the time I finish a map with the summoner, I could finish 3 maps with the Weretiger build. Summons are just too slow.

I think you may be doing something wrong.. I am playing Summoner and I have a really min/max weretiger and its not even close to my summons clear speed, usually killing everything off screen. Granted I have only farmed up to hell 3 with both.

Either way neither can compare to how broken Cast on crit is... Not even close, Cast on crit is going to get nerfed 100% its so broken. You can make your combined dash skill free to cast, with 0 cooldown, It auto casts spells from cast on movement, the spells also proc off crits. So you can dash cast a storm, which ticks so fast, the storm crits, then procs more storms from its own critical strikes which then causes a chain reaction of storms to spawn all over the screen lol.. You literally kill any boss in seconds... Enjoy it while you can, it will get nerfed. This game has some serious balance issues, but it is very fun.

My Weretiger 1 shots everything in its way and has way over 200% movement speed.

With over 2k Absorb, 80% Avoid and 60% Block, plus 9k HP, nothing even remotely scratches him.

I could minmax it more, but there's no point, since nothing even comes close to surviving it and Hell Maps, even at my ludicrous movement speed (especially when spamming MS potions), are too long.

I'm still missing 3 purple Glyphs and I have to reroll a few more glyphs. Plus. my food kind of sucks, since I don't want to waste time farming ingredients.

Before lv 30. yeah it 's not that great. after 30 tho. well. it's super crazy.

Right now I have 51 blades, 150 atk. 14 shadow cats, 1500 atk. 14 crows, 450 atk.
7 dragons, 1000 atk. every minions move fast except dragons but they will re summon them self every time I find new groups of enemies anyways.

Originally posted by astranabeat:

Before lv 30. yeah it 's not that great. after 30 tho. well. it's super crazy.

Right now I have 51 blades, 150 atk. 14 shadow cats, 1500 atk. 14 crows, 450 atk.
7 dragons, 1000 atk. every minions move fast except dragons but they will re summon them self every time I find new groups of enemies anyways.

I feel it will lack damage the further you go. Minions can't crit or have attack speed, you can only alleviate that somewhat with the amount.

What level are you?