It should be still around. Although the reason why it only shows up rarely is that there's a system that blocks mutations that interfere with each other.

If you see SPLASH DAMAGE, CARAPACE, IMPACT, DEADLY BARRAGE or BOMBARDMENT, then the Guardians mutation isn't going to show up.

It also can't be the first or the second mutation out. That's why it often gets blocked by some other mutation.

Hmmm. That should be it. You're not playing on Terminus difficulty, so smart mutations aren't a problem. I think that it's just a combination of it being rare and not getting lucky.

If you get super-frustrated hunting for the mutation, you can always just trigger it with the debug commands.

It's not really cheating if you're making your life harder. ;)

Thanks so much for your help! So great to see a Dev so involved in the games discussions!
I'm not very computer savy so I will just keep on trying to trigger it through playthroughs since after all its still fun to do! Just good to know that it is still possible.

It's also incompatible with Brute Guard, Spitter Guard and Enraged Guard.

Originally posted by Kasrkin84:

It's also incompatible with Brute Guard, Spitter Guard and Enraged Guard.

Yes! I completely forgot about that because it works on a slightly different system. Some mutations are grouped and once you get something from a group, you can't get the other ones.

I did a heap more runs without any luck quitting each time I got a blocker mutation. Ended up using the debug xD

Originally posted by RionCannon:

I did a heap more runs without any luck quitting each time I got a blocker mutation. Ended up using the debug xD

I think that's fair. I confess, I never expected that people would want to 100% the achievements. If I did, I probably wouldn't have created one that's so random and hard to get.

Originally posted by RocketBear:

If you get super-frustrated hunting for the mutation, you can always just trigger it with the debug commands.

It's not really cheating if you're making your life harder. ;)

how can i trigger it with the debug commands ? :)

If you run the game with a -debug command line switch, the ~ key will show a debug menu in-game.

Originally posted by RocketBear:

If you run the game with a -debug command line switch, the ~ key will show a debug menu in-game.

Thanks!

thanks dev for this tip - after 'few' yrears finally got it :D