sure.

Honestly as someone who doesn't listen to any vtubers and doesn't like vocal in general, I actually think the vtubers' songs are pretty good, but if you don't like them, shrug.

Yeah it's not like Vocaloid and VTubers are actually very popular in the west as well right now.

Originally posted by NewMoonShadow:

Yeah it's not like Vocaloid and VTubers are actually very popular in the west as well right now.

It's not even as popular as My Little Pony was during the Brony days.

Originally posted by Abstract Permanence:

Originally posted by NewMoonShadow:

Yeah it's not like Vocaloid and VTubers are actually very popular in the west as well right now.

It's not even as popular as My Little Pony was during the Brony days.

Few things are as popular as My Little Pony was during the brony days, unless you're looking at like, Star Trek, Star Wars, Dr. Who, and old-school Pokemon.

Originally posted by NewMoonShadow:

Originally posted by Abstract Permanence:

It's not even as popular as My Little Pony was during the Brony days.

Few things are as popular as My Little Pony was during the brony days, unless you're looking at like, Star Trek, Star Wars, Dr. Who, and old-school Pokemon.

Popularity for a few does not mean popularity and success for the majority.

Vtubing as a whole is a sunk cost fallacy and majority that protray as such are unsuccessful in gaining an stable income from it.

Majority of the popular and successful Vtubers lie through their teeth about having chronic illnesses and such and bleeding hearts are easily opening their wallets through affiliation of popular flesh tubers.

A select few that make it seem that is popular and successful haven't seen how toxic and Isn't worthwhile Content Creation as Vtuber really is for the majority.

"I don't like this - so its bad. Do things I like. Those are good."

Originally posted by ZylpheRenuis:

Originally posted by NewMoonShadow:

Few things are as popular as My Little Pony was during the brony days, unless you're looking at like, Star Trek, Star Wars, Dr. Who, and old-school Pokemon.

Popularity for a few does not mean popularity and success for the majority.

Vtubing as a whole is a sunk cost fallacy and majority that protray as such are unsuccessful in gaining an stable income from it.

That is true of literally all performance/art forms, hardly something to hold against VTubers specifically.

That's like saying that because 95% of professional actors can't make a living doing it then that means that movies aren't very popular. Like .01% of people doing it live in the lap of luxury and everyone else furiously chases some semblance of financial security, that's how all entertainment media works.

Majority of the popular and successful Vtubers lie through their teeth about having chronic illnesses and such and bleeding hearts are easily opening their wallets through affiliation of popular flesh tubers.

Literally the only example I can think of is Ironmouse, and the reality of her condition is well documented.

A select few that make it seem that is popular and successful haven't seen how toxic and Isn't worthwhile Content Creation as Vtuber really is for the majority.

I'm not saying it's not a toxic environment, just gonna point out that claiming that it's UNIQUELY so is probably just nonsense.

Document and proof are two different things and majority of the fans cannot even procure any legal documents pertaining of a Vtuber having such conditions. It's merely "Trust me with my voice and pretty face. I am deathly ill and I will die one day but til then let me take money from your bleeding hearts." And that in of itself is scummy when they can straight up say it's for marketing purposes of Vshojo to push merchandise and other sales because people are whipped to condition to treat her like a Make-A-Wish foundation sickly.

That is what's wrong. My point stands and no one can procure the documents and proof showing this person has such a thing and only plays it as a front.

I Like the songs overall but I kinda liked the "Indie games music" approach they did for the first 3 dlc much more than the "vocaloid/idols music" Approach they're doing now. Ultimately I just want good songs with good charts, and they still accomplish that, I just liked it more when it was like "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ THEY PUT PEPPINO IN THE GAME?!?!?!" Because when I see Hatsune Miku added I just kinda go "Oh, they added Miku. That's cool I guess"

Part of that is because I just am not into Miku or idols, but part of it is also like, it feels like they're in so many games that it just elicits a shrug and a "Cool I guess" With the first 3 dlc it was just really neat logging on and seeing "Hey you know that platformer you really liked? Yeah they're here now!" The elation I felt seeing Celeste added with Reach For The Summit just simply can't compare to any feeling I would get if they went "Alright guys, our next dlc? Yeah, we got Hatsune Miku!" Like cool, she's in everything lol. She's even in Magic The Gathering. No hate on her, the music is fine, I just feel nothing seeing a Miku collab because I think the music is simply just ok. That Miku Samba song was cheeks tho. It's the only song added to this game I just didn't like lmao but I'll still admit a couple of the Miku songs are my favorite charts

Originally posted by ZylpheRenuis:

And that in of itself is scummy when they can straight up say it's for marketing purposes of Vshojo to push merchandise and other sales because people are whipped to condition to treat her like a Make-A-Wish foundation sickly.

Speaking of documenting and proving claims, do you wanna back up that statement that VShojo has come out and said that Ironmouse's condition was made up for marketing purposes?

Also, just so you know, Ironmouse was a pretty popular indie before VShojo was created by several years, and her condition was known long before VShojo was created.

Arent vtubers supposed to be streamers? They sing too? I dont understand

I only bought the celeste dlc but I somewhat regret it.
4 songs for 6 euros is too much, the price/song ratio is too high compared to the base game which is 32 songs for 18 euros (plus the whole game). We should have got 10 tracks in the dlc to respect this ratio.

Originally posted by Plop:

I only bought the celeste dlc but I somewhat regret it.
4 songs for 6 euros is too much, the price/song ratio is too high compared to the base game which is 32 songs for 18 euros (plus the whole game). We should have got 10 tracks in the dlc to respect this ratio.

Dlc for rhythm games is always more expensive than the base game.

Originally posted by Arras:

Originally posted by Plop:

I only bought the celeste dlc but I somewhat regret it.
4 songs for 6 euros is too much, the price/song ratio is too high compared to the base game which is 32 songs for 18 euros (plus the whole game). We should have got 10 tracks in the dlc to respect this ratio.

Dlc for rhythm games is always more expensive than the base game.

So what? Precedent is nonsense. If it is bad value, it is bad value. And these DLC are bad value.

Originally posted by Arras:

Originally posted by Plop:

I only bought the celeste dlc but I somewhat regret it.
4 songs for 6 euros is too much, the price/song ratio is too high compared to the base game which is 32 songs for 18 euros (plus the whole game). We should have got 10 tracks in the dlc to respect this ratio.

Dlc for rhythm games is always more expensive than the base game.

Oh yeah probably, I don't have any other "music" game in my library so I have to trust you