You got most of it, though you left out "Added stumble". Next patch we'll actually remove game play too, along with all but one map.

yay! game play being removed :3 Can not wait for update ;) hahahaha. I am looking forward to dancing and roleplaying in blacklight now on one map.

ON another note how about saying nice changes blr update brought? HMMM??? HMMMM GIGA? =( you make me so SadMad.

I would disagree, sure some things were removed, but there was alot of stuff that's been added and optimized. Most importantly, we're up to snuff with the version on PS4. There's always going to be things that people dislike because change is a scary thing, but the game needed it. We needed a breath of fresh air and something as big as this has been viewed by many as a good shot in the arm.

This is not to say that your concerns are invalid, far from it. The thing is, like we've been saying from the beginning, this is the first step towards something new. That first step is always going to be a tough one. But hang in there and you will see that this is not the end of the world. Some of those systems you mention weren't working correctly. They needed fine tuning. When we're satisfied with them, they might just return, albeit differently than we were previously used to.

Remember, this is not the end all be all... Things evolve and the future is looking good. :)

tbh I'm just happy i can play blacklight now. the old launcher was crap, it always gave me errors.

Originally posted by Lord ALF:

You got most of it, though you left out "Added stumble". Next patch we'll actually remove game play too, along with all but one map.

Was there really a need for passive aggressive sarcasm? I was legitimately asking if I missed anything because it seems like a lot was removed.

Originally posted by Cassandrawr:

yay! game play being removed :3 Can not wait for update ;) hahahaha. I am looking forward to dancing and roleplaying in blacklight now on one map.

ON another note how about saying nice changes blr update brought? HMMM??? HMMMM GIGA? =( you make me so SadMad.

Do I know you? Or are you just the usual forum troll?

Originally posted by ... Sean?:

I would disagree, sure some things were removed, but there was alot of stuff that's been added and optimized. Most importantly, we're up to snuff with the version on PS4. There's always going to be things that people dislike because change is a scary thing, but the game needed it. We needed a breath of fresh air and something as big as this has been viewed by many as a good shot in the arm.

This is not to say that your concerns are invalid, far from it. The thing is, like we've been saying from the beginning, this is the first step towards something new. That first step is always going to be a tough one. But hang in there and you will see that this is not the end of the world. Some of those systems you mention weren't working correctly. They needed fine tuning. When we're satisfied with them, they might just return, albeit differently than we were previously used to.

Remember, this is not the end all be all... Things evolve and the future is looking good. :)

.....What is there to disagree about? I'm listing off changes and asking if they're right, both in a technicalish list and..Well, lemens from what most seem to be saying about the patch. I...Haven't voiced any of my concernes actually, mainly because I want to make sure I have the right info before saying anything.....So why you're playing defensive, what's his face is poking at me for what I can only assume is the point I made that the update was ready to go ages ago and probably was never coming, and why the developer is being rude is beyond me....

The best I can guess is you're assuming I'm critizing the game like most people are, especially on the games review side, and hating on it. I'm not. I think it's silly to remove a lot of working functionality, like the overall mail system, grouping, and global chat. Take out trading? Sure, fine...but...why take out the whole mail system? Or take out the inventory system? Nearest I can figure is it was to remove trading items since you can't trade active items....But trading was already removed when the mail was removed, so....? So...If you guys want critisim, then have some; A lot of things that were removed don't seem to make sense why they were removed and others weren't. That, and adjusting the level system as it was was needed but poorly executed. Why do I say that? I lost 2 levels, but all the same, big whoop. Removing two gamemodes is kinda big thing for me, and it really doesn't make sense why they were taken out since they were working fine, but it can be assumed bugs or some such.

I really don't have much to say about the patch yet. I played a little and it's still BL:R ; It's still low pop, the gunplay is okay but nothing to write home about, has lag out the rear end, and still has a high percentage of hackers. It's also still fun to run around and gun people down, or run them over with hardsuits you stole from them, or run up and bonk half a team on the head with a hammer and giggle as you go from bottom of your team to top. Not much has changed, but what has...isn't that big of a deal, but also makes no sense....

Now, again, without sarcasm or rudeness, is there anything I missed, or am I going to need to go digging around in the game files for a simple answer?

Next time try to not make everything sound so negative and people might actually want to answer you with a positive reply. I am not really a troll. I was serious when I said state some positive changes too. It is not all bad, and there will be changes and patches it is a work in progress.

Also you can benifit from saying something as simple as changed hero's into skins not "removed heros functionality". Or how you use a word like "gutted".
Your ending made it sound even worse. You were simply being rude. Please don't try to redirect that to us.

I literally laughed at the guy who said PC version is now 'up to snuff to the PS4 version'. That has to be sarcasm, nobody calls a complete downgrade in every way getting up to snuff. Was that sarcasm?

I must have misinterpreted the tone of your post and for that I apologize. Because from what it appeared to me it looked like you were very dissatisfied. But even then if you really are, that's perfectly okay. I wont rehash what I said earlier because that would just lead us in circles.

Just for a little FYI,
For the three maps that were removed they added 4 more general maps.
We also added 3 receivers not just one
We added 4 new maps to Onslaught.
We did remove SIEGE and NETWAR. But this is primarily because these game modes had issues. this is something that they wanted to do up right and instead of giving a partly broken mode (or one that just didnt work well) they removed them until they could get it the way they want it to be done. (for example - SIEGE was almost unplayable due to the fact that one team would almost always spam airstrikes and thus really negating the point of the escort) It needs fine tuning. Bottom Line.
As for the social portions that were removed, there were issues in those systems too that need work.

The thing is people cant help but come to the defense of something when it appears that a little uninformed criticism is being thrown their way. Debate is good, but when you try to spurn it and list some items that weren't completely accurate, it will cause people to take up arms in defense and things can get ugly.

If you want the full lowdown on what has changed and what hasn't check out the HSL FAQ. www.hardsuitlabs.com

But in a glimmer of hope, there is a hotfix patch thats going to be deployed very soon so some of the issues that have been noted among the players will be addressed. :)

Originally posted by Lord ALF:

You got most of it, though you left out "Added stumble". Next patch we'll actually remove game play too, along with all but one map.

this made my week.

Originally posted by Lord ALF:

You got most of it, though you left out "Added stumble". Next patch we'll actually remove game play too, along with all but one map.

and your keeping the no recoil? shirley you cant be serious?

@T-Bone I don't know if you're trolling or being wilfully ignorant.

Anyone who has eyes and a modicum of common sense can see that the new version of BLR that they have released on PC, regardless of it being a 'PS4 Port' is better than the unfinished, un-maintained mountain of ass dripping we were left with after PWE and Zombie had their falling out. Yes there are issues at the moment, but at least we are actually getting somewhere, with a dev team that are going to be updating, maintaining, and trying new things out with this version.

If you look at the models in the game, you can see the difference immediately, if you look at everything from the lighting to the weather effects, you can see that things have gotten better, reports of people's performance in terms of graphical settings have gotten much better. The floating, excessive crap that was left around in -ALL- the maps have been cleared up. New receivers have been added, a new hard suit has been added, new equipment, melee weapons, helmets, maps, all have been added. The only things we have actually lost are Siege mode and Netwar, both of which were barely played, and at least one of them was horrendously abused and buggy as hell.
And the recoil at the moment? it's just something that's been brought over from PS4, and hopefully, fingers crossed, should be getting updated within the next week, maybe two. The bugs in the game? Not nearly as volumous, troublesome, or blatant as the bugs that were present in the version of the game before this. They were more often than not abused to improve a players performance to boot, e.g: Head Glitching, a bug which has been grandfathered from PC Blr onto the PS4 and back again. And Hardsuit labs are working on all of this.

Now I have a feeling you're going to bring up the fact that the game shouldn't have been re-released as it's not finished. That's like saying Warframe shouldn't have been released because it's still in beta That game sees more changes in the game mechanics than this does. The difference being that DE have a much larger team than Hardsuit does and they are actually currently getting income to fuel those changes. As someone who has been pretty quietly watching what they do, as they do it, and constantly getting a feed on information, not just from watching the forums, their website but from talking to their Devs and community managers, they are working damn hard to fix the game up and get it to some pretty damnably high standards.

Anyone who isn't intentionally going out of their way to be an unreasonable salt beast or a troll can see, with everything put out infront of them, that this version of BLR is superior.

Originally posted by DaddyPain:

@T-Bone I don't know if you're trolling or being wilfully ignorant.

Anyone who has eyes and a modicum of common sense can see that the new version of BLR that they have released on PC, regardless of it being a 'PS4 Port' is better than the unfinished, un-maintained mountain of ass dripping we were left with after PWE and Zombie had their falling out. Yes there are issues at the moment, but at least we are actually getting somewhere, with a dev team that are going to be updating, maintaining, and trying new things out with this version.
Anyone who isn't intentionally going out of their way to be an unreasonable salt beast or a troll can see, with everything put out infront of them, that this version of BLR is superior.

When I list off things that are worse all everyone has done is ignore me because it's all true and there was no excuse for that stuff to happen. It's not willful ignorance, in fact I think you are indeed suffering from said form of ignorance. Things are worse across every metric except the fact that we will be getting updates soon. That is the only improvement, the prospect of updates whereas before development was frozen but it was at least frozen in a playable state. This version of BLR is so far behind that's it amazes me anyone would put on blinders upon blinders to say what you have said in your post. Prior version of the game wasn't perfect but so much was lost in the parity patch it's really a rmemorable moment in gaming history, people will look back at this as a lesson on what to do and what not to do.

Originally posted by DaddyPain:

Nah, you came across as a bit of a c0ck end really.

And you weren't listing changes, you were listing assumptions. On top of which, if you even bothered your dozy backside to look around on the ARC BLR forums or even bothered to look around on here, you would have found plenty of discussions like this, that have already been had, in which both Alf and Sean have clearly explained what's gone down.

tl;dr : Do a little looking around before you open the big festering hole in your face you call a mouth.

Uhhh...Sure buddy. You keep raging. I'm sure people will take you seriously and not mistake you for a twelve yearold. Also, look up the definition of assumption if you're going to pointlessly yell. All I did was post a tourniqueted version of the patch notes to make sure I was posting something offical and solid. In other words, fact, not assumption.
And...why would I bother going to an ARC forum when just asking on Steam is ten times easier? Besides not relying on all the circle jerk threads and fan boys with rumors and crap (Mostly), I have a better shot of getting a responce from a Dev or Reviewer. Even if it is Sarcastic....And looky what the first (Sarcastic) reply is....

Originally posted by Cassandrawr:

Next time try to not make everything sound so negative and people might actually want to answer you with a positive reply. I am not really a troll. I was serious when I said state some positive changes too. It is not all bad, and there will be changes and patches it is a work in progress.

Also you can benifit from saying something as simple as changed hero's into skins not "removed heros functionality". Or how you use a word like "gutted".
Your ending made it sound even worse. You were simply being rude. Please don't try to redirect that to us.

.....Except I wasn't, and you pretty much took that away from that post yourself. Besides the Gutting part, the all caps about removing bug and player reporting, and the bit about perming items...This is a barebones list of what you'd see for a review sheet....Is what I said wrong? Did they not remove and add the things they did? Better question to ask is, do -you- see these things as negative, cuz I don't for the most part. Weird, sure, negative?....Well, removing player reporting I do, but the rest is debatable.

And...No. Sorry, I-- and most reviewers that aren't Kotaku-- don't really water down what actually happens in patches. Hero functionality was removed; Hero cosmetics stayed the same. Saying 'heros into skins' leaves open the question of 'do they still have functionality and are just called skins?' You want to take that to a normal forum where half the users will foam at the mouth if you have one word out of place and play the 'gottcha' game?....I mean hell, that's what you guys are doing.

And..if you don't want it redirected it at you, don't get hostile and act like I insulted your honor. I asked a question, I didn't come in here flaming going 'patch notes EVERYTHING WAS REMOVED, GAME IS TERRIBLE, 0/0!'. I didn't exclude that things were added, or say that 'all this stuff being removed was bad, don't play this game!'......So in all seriousness, why are you guys attacking me for asking a question? You want me to be positive, then answer my question so I can point to the positive, because you all seem to think this list, on it's own is negative.

Originally posted by T-Bone Biggins:

I literally laughed at the guy who said PC version is now 'up to snuff to the PS4 version'. That has to be sarcasm, nobody calls a complete downgrade in every way getting up to snuff. Was that sarcasm?

Well....to be fair, it wasn't 'up to snuff.' PS4 had more content because of the bs going on over at PWE. I'm not going to say this was an upgrade; We did lose a bunch of things, some very much warrented, others....eeeeh? But...I haven't seen a change in performence either way; Again, it's still BLR. Still laggy, same resolution, same gunplay save the recoil.

Which, I'd like to point out, I didn't see the recoil bit in the patch notes. Maybe I'm finally going blind, or it wasn't listed...Either way, if you guys stopped having rage boners and just pointed that out...'could just thank you and move on. Guess not :/

Originally posted by ... Sean?:

I must have misinterpreted the tone of your post and for that I apologize. Because from what it appeared to me it looked like you were very dissatisfied. But even then if you really are, that's perfectly okay. I wont rehash what I said earlier because that would just lead us in circles.

Just for a little FYI,
For the three maps that were removed they added 4 more general maps.
We also added 3 receivers not just one
We added 4 new maps to Onslaught.
We did remove SIEGE and NETWAR. But this is primarily because these game modes had issues. this is something that they wanted to do up right and instead of giving a partly broken mode (or one that just didnt work well) they removed them until they could get it the way they want it to be done. (for example - SIEGE was almost unplayable due to the fact that one team would almost always spam airstrikes and thus really negating the point of the escort) It needs fine tuning. Bottom Line.
As for the social portions that were removed, there were issues in those systems too that need work.

The thing is people cant help but come to the defense of something when it appears that a little uninformed criticism is being thrown their way. Debate is good, but when you try to spurn it and list some items that weren't completely accurate, it will cause people to take up arms in defense and things can get ugly.

If you want the full lowdown on what has changed and what hasn't check out the HSL FAQ. www.hardsuitlabs.com

But in a glimmer of hope, there is a hotfix patch thats going to be deployed very soon so some of the issues that have been noted among the players will be addressed. :)

It seems everyone is. Don't get me wrong, I don't think that this was a big upgrade that was needed to revive the game on PC. There's a lot of work that needs to be done, but...At least SOMETHING is finally getting done. For once I'm glad I was wrong that something wasn't going to happen. But again, everyone here looks at that list and takes it as a negative; That's not on me, that's just a slimmed down version of what the patch notes are for the most part.

That said, thank you. I knew 1 map had been added, and noticed a new...? HAR, but that was it before I got off. This helps greatly, because again, I either missed these in the patch notes or they weren't listed. What recievers were added btw?
And fair enough. Personally I liked Seige, but I was that 0.5% that liked doing silly things like running up to the tank and Breech Hammering it to death. Or chucking nades so that it never left the spawning bay-- Yes, I was that guy, and no I will not appologize BECAUSE IT WAS HILARIOUS. That aside, what needed to be fixed about the social stuff?

And I still don't see what's inaccurate? Again, a bunch of stuff was removed, functionallity and otherwise, maps and game modes were removed, the customization/item and level system was changed to introduce more grind, and the UI was changed in a way that creates more clicking and navigation. Where am I wrong in this? And thanks for the link, I've already been there-- that's pretty much where I got the list from. gonna post the stuff you listed in the main post, thanks!

Originally posted by Giga:

Well....to be fair, it wasn't 'up to snuff.' PS4 had more content because of the bs going on over at PWE. I'm not going to say this was an upgrade; We did lose a bunch of things, some very much warrented, others....eeeeh? But...I haven't seen a change in performence either way; Again, it's still BLR. Still laggy, same resolution, same gunplay save the recoil.

Which, I'd like to point out, I didn't see the recoil bit in the patch notes. Maybe I'm finally going blind, or it wasn't listed...Either way, if you guys stopped having rage boners and just pointed that out...'could just thank you and move on. Guess not :/

You really need to do some research before making this uninformed posts, recoil will be fixed soon it isn't a new feature so it isn't in the patch notes, it will probably be in the patch notes when it is fixed.

Lag isn't something I find in the game that much surely not enough to make me complain, performance did in fact improve to me running the game at over 200fps even when recording so maybe its a problem in your end (old hardware or not updated), I'm using a R9 280x btw (but the game was running well on an old HD5770 lolol), as for same resolution don't know what you are talking about the game will run at the resolution you choose if your hardware permits.

Originally posted by DaddyPain:

Anyone who isn't intentionally going out of their way to be an unreasonable salt beast or a troll can see, with everything put out infront of them, that this version of BLR is superior.

First...Calm down. Seriously. No one's going to die because there's a disagreement on this forum. There's no reason to get so aggressive and offensive. Or show off how much of a fanboy you are. You're being unreasonable, and you need to act like you have some maturity or get out of the thread. Bashing won't be tolerated.

Second, this version isn't pureply superior. If you have a higher end gaming rig, it's by far better in terms of pointlessly grand graphics. Me being a old FPSer, I don't see a point to having everything up to high, when you get the best performence by setting everything to 'off' or low', but I know people love their bloom and AO and god knows what else, so whatever....But that said, if you're running a medium or low end rig-- I.E. the majority of gamers on Steam, this was a marked downgrade. You listed it yourself; this is a PS4 port, and it's clear it is. There are crutches, like how the menus navigate, the lack of recoil, that are still in the game, meaning it was a very close translation. Because of that, the graphics engine is still calibrated to run on a PS4, with very specific hardware. Unless you're running above the recommended specs, this patch has lowered FPS, fedality, and responce times. Is it enough to say don't play the game, no. But...going around screaming 'THE GAME IS BETTER AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T AGREE WITH ME IS UNREASONABLE OR A TROLL!!!!' isn't realistic, correct, or reasonable in itself.

Now please, either take a pill to grow up faster or get out. I'm sick of dealing with ragekiddies.