Chivalry: Medieval Warfare

Chivalry: Medieval Warfare

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|KiLa| Rook 18 Jun, 2015 @ 11:05am
Personal Trainer Interest List/Combat Basics: Ask a Veteran!
Good morning/afternoon/evening, everyone.

As of late, I've seen a whole lot of people complaining about getting rekt once they get out of the rank 0-15 servers. Sadly, this is the most frequent cause of people leaving the game. However, I will be available much more often in the coming weeks, and I would like to help new players overcome this problem by teaching them the fundamental tips and tricks that bring so much depth to this game.

If you are interested in sparring a bit (ping might be an issue if you're not in the western U.S.) or if you simply have questions, please feel free to post in the comments below and/or add me to your friends list. Frankly, though, I will be ignoring any posts that attempt to derail this thread, i.e. the posts that either hate on the game, get woefully off-topic, or devolve into mere flamewars. Basically, if you have nothing constructive to say, please refrain from saying anything. This thread is for those that want to learn, so I beg you to leave it that way.

Anyhow, if any other veterans have advice or tactics to offer, please feel free to share.

Let the learning commence!

EDIT: As explained in a later post, I believe that this thread may be able to serve as a central thread for relevant tactics and experience as provided by both myself and other community members. Keeping this thread on-topic will surely facilitate this purpose, so please consider whether or not your post will contribute beneficially before posting. Any combat-related questions are perfectly acceptable as long as they have not already been addressed in the thread, so, if you understand what has already been talked about, you shouldn't have any problems at all. However, if the thread gets big enough (i.e. checking every discussed topic would take an unreasonably long amount of time), I will add a table of contents for easier navigation.
Last edited by |KiLa| Rook; 19 Jun, 2015 @ 6:58am
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|ĶiĻă| ReTsTrump 18 Jun, 2015 @ 11:40am 
I have taught many players and continue to do so. There are some basic rules when asking for help.

1. Don't ask for help on a full server. Remember that typing instructions and tips takes time away from playing. Upper level players sometimes just want to play and have fun.

2. Don't ask for help on Official servers as they tend to be a cess pool of noobs and noob farmers

3. Try and join Classic Duel servers - This is an open FFA map and not duel mode. It is usually ran by a clan where etiquette is in order and you do not fight without a bow from each duelist. These are open maps of high end duelist and they are usually very happy to give advice and help.

4. Try and find private servers with just a few people playing, preferably high ranked players, be nice, make friends, then ask for help

5. Try and find Clan servers, add them to your favorites list and play there often as you will make friends and they will teach you. Maybe even join one and they will school you up.

6. Try and find servers/clans with TeamSpeak or other VIOP service because talking is faster than typing. Also download and install TeamSpeak or Ventrillo, be prepared and get a Mic.

7. YouTube and Google is your friend. There are literally hundreds of Chiv tutorial videos along with the Dev's fourms and even here, Reddit and http://forums.tornbanner.com/forumdisplay.php/37-Tactics-and-Tutorials?s=&pp=20&daysprune=-1&sort=lastpost&order=desc

I also teach on my server when it is slow. Just last night I was teaching noobs how to fight 2 v 3+ and when they are out numbered by dividing the enemy and target switching while using combo attacks. Sometimes I will broadcast on twitch.tv So if you have decent ping to my server here is my info.

Profile: https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/profiles/76561197980089505
|ĶiĻă| clan: https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/groups/almightykila
Game server: |ĶiĻă| THUNDERDOME Custom/Mixed- Chicago
Server IP: 192.23.26.174:6000 or kila.game.nfoservers.com:6000
I occasionally stream live gaming on http://twitch.tv/sirretsnom typically broadcasting nightly between 6pm - 11pm CST and sometimes on weekend.

If I get a lot of players that want to learn I will reactivate my TeamSpeak or Use Clay's TeamSpeak because VIOP is faster than typing instructions.
Last edited by |ĶiĻă| ReTsTrump; 18 Jun, 2015 @ 12:11pm
|KiLa| Rook 18 Jun, 2015 @ 11:53am 
^^^

Good tips--the input is appreciated!
Some tips for learning and getting gud...

Play the in game tutorial.
Then play it again hitting all the stages. Then play it again as by the 3rd time you play it you should blow through it fast. Pay attention to weapon timing, drags and feints in the Advanced section.

Place priority on unlocking weapons.
This should take about a month of play. The best and fastest way to do this is to pick one weapon and play on FFA servers until the next weapon is unlocked then play that weapon till the next is unlocked. I would start with Vanguard as that is the most noob friendly. Then go through knights, MAA and archers last. There are reasons for this, just trust me. Stay focused and don't switch classes even if you die a lot. What this will do is expose you to the strength, weaknesses, range, damage and speed of all the weapons against all the other weapons. No weapon is better than the other really, in the right skilled hands any weapon can kill another.

Parry and defense.
A lot of players struggle with parries and feel that attacks are going through their parry unfairly. An example is that you are holding your shield and you have an overhead clearly miss you but then it does damage. This is called a waterfall and it is a Z pattern overhead that is going around your parry/shield in a Z pattern and the end of the swing is actually hitting your legs or feet, thus doing damage but in first person looks like a miss or feels like it went through your parry.

There is a lot to the parry system and how players get around parries and shields. For visual details on how it works and what it actually looks like by creating a game with a bot and in console type Showcollision. You will see a large white box floating in front of all player models. This is the parry window that is activated when you press parry and is an active shield timed with the parry animation and deactivated after then animation ends. Same is true with shields when being used. It is the same size and timing for all weapons. You will also notice that it is directional an crouching gives you better protection as well as looking up.

So how do I use this knowledge? And how do I get better?
Knowing the size and timing of the parry window, you can now see how you can use footwork to get around it and delaying your swings so that the parry deactivates before your swing makes contact resulting in a hit.

The best way to practice parrying is to first create a game with a bot and practice parrying against different weapons. Once you get confident, add more bots. This will get you familiar with P2P or Parry into Parry and being able to parry more than one person. Once you get comfortable against 5 or more bots, now it is time to step up the game. Join a FFA server, your mission is get better at parring so your rules are you can only parry and kick. Do not attack! You will die a lot at first and it will confuse the ♥♥♥♥♥ out of other players. Once you start to only focus on the parry, you will get better at reading feints, accelerations and slow down drag attacks. Then punish them with a kick and do a taunt laugh at them. (heheh) Do this for at least a full gaming session and then a round or two for the next few days and your parry skills will increase dramatically.
Blast / RSW 18 Jun, 2015 @ 1:54pm 
Thank you Shinning Blight and Retsnom, i do want to learn, Retsnom, i am already unlocking every weapon for classes in the FFA servers.
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King Shibby 18 Jun, 2015 @ 2:08pm 
I noticed someone asking for a Tutorials section the other day. Would that be useful on this forum or do people only read the main section?
The Faceless Man 18 Jun, 2015 @ 2:26pm 
"what else would we use? the guides section? that's just crazy!"
Last edited by The Faceless Man; 18 Jun, 2015 @ 2:26pm
Originally posted by Bear Grylls:
I noticed someone asking for a Tutorials section the other day. Would that be useful on this forum or do people only read the main section?
How about a sticky post with a link to the Guides, Sometimes people are stupid and lazy and need things spelled out for them
=(e)= Lemonater47 18 Jun, 2015 @ 2:44pm 
Don't ask for help on a full server? Sure some vets won't say anything but others will including myself. I always take the time to tell them that pushing F10 will make them do whatever they want to do.
The Faceless Man 18 Jun, 2015 @ 3:03pm 
"i always take time to tell them that pushing F10 will make them do whatever they want to do, because that's what someone did to me when i started and my bum is still sore from it."
=(e)= Lemonater47 18 Jun, 2015 @ 3:10pm 
TB tricked me. Used to be listed in the controls as "party party". Wanted to know what the party party button did. Back then you didn't even get 5 seconds. It was instant. If you spammed it you could get scores such as - 10,000. Each time you pushed it even when dead it took 10 points off you. Adding the 5 second timer was awesome and made the joke even better.

Then the bastards ruined it by putting it on the loading screen telling everyone what it actually did. Gone are the days where you could make an entire server implode all at once during a steam sale or free weekend.
King Shibby 18 Jun, 2015 @ 5:34pm 
Originally posted by Solar:
"what else would we use? the guides section? that's just crazy!"
It's a lot easier to post little things in a forum than use the guide stuff.
Originally posted by Bear Grylls:
Originally posted by Solar:
"what else would we use? the guides section? that's just crazy!"
It's a lot easier to post little things in a forum than use the guide stuff.
Apparently as no one uses the Search function either but instead creates a new post when they could have spent a little time and found the answers.
|KiLa| Rook 19 Jun, 2015 @ 6:30am 
Again, please refrain from getting off-topic. The purpose of this thread is to answer any questions that new players might have and/or provide advice directly from veteran players themselves. In theory, it ought to provide something a guide simply cannot give, i.e. the ability to ask questions directly. Frankly, I would like to keep this thread clean, as I believe it can be a valuable resource for new players. If I can get alot of this info into one concise thread rather than scattered among hundreds of repetitive (and often unproductive) ones, my mission will have been accomplished. This is essentially supposed to be a comprehensive guide written by the community, after all, so I beg you all to treat it as such. No one will bother to read a guide that frequently goes off on wild tangents, so let's not make one that does.
Last edited by |KiLa| Rook; 20 Jun, 2015 @ 3:18am
|KiLa| Rook 19 Jun, 2015 @ 6:34am 
Also, I only chose to make this a main thread for the very reason that it would be on the front page. There's literally no searching involved other than loading up the forums, so it ought to be easier for newer people to find it.
Blast / RSW 19 Jun, 2015 @ 7:17am 
Sorry to go off-topic Shining Blight, and thank you for creating this thread.
I would have a sugestion:

It would be possible to create something like a "Chivalry Academy" FFA Old Duel server?
I mean a "go to" place where every veterans who are willing to teach and the noobs searching someone to learn from/ ask for advice/combat practice with, would join, anyone else not searching any help or offering to teach would be sent out?
I bet that, if there was a dedicated gameserver like that it would be filled with people, veterans offering to help, and the noobs searching for guidance and advanced combat insights.

The server would be advertised with a sticky topic here in the oficial CMW steam forum, or even in this very own topic, that way everyone who is asking and searching for help would find it.
Less people would give up on the game, if having a place where they could openly get practice with friendly and helpfull experienced veterans, on the medium to long term the game and community would retain a much higher % of the newcomers waves.

The idea is not an original of mine, we used to have that in my country's Jedi Knigh 2 community, many years ago. and it worked, the community academy training camp used to form lots of noobs into advanced players who otherwise most likely would get frustrated of constantly geting wrecked in the servers and call it quits.
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