Games are supposed to indoctrinate you not entertain you anymore. Get with the program friend :)

At least you still supported it by buying it, OP.

Corso is farming jesters again, I see.

Corso is also on the Dead Space Remake topic, don't feed him.

Originally posted by Badman:

Corso is also on the Dead Space Remake topic, don't feed him.

glad you noticed. i've got more steam points than you, just so you know.
my points are valid. this game is atrocious. they killed off joel. what in the stinky hell were they thinking when they wrote that?
i can say nice things about this game, btw.
its gorgeous. on a technical level its absolutely stunning. the visuals and the optimisation are bar non some of the best ever.
but dear god, lord jesus above, why kill off joel as such? drunkmann sure had his finger up his butt when he made that decision.

Originally posted by Corso:

glad you noticed. i've got more steam points than you, just so you know.
my points are valid. this game is atrocious. they killed off joel. what in the stinky hell were they thinking when they wrote that?
i can say nice things about this game, btw.
its gorgeous. on a technical level its absolutely stunning. the visuals and the optimisation are bar non some of the best ever.
but dear god, lord jesus above, why kill off joel as such? drunkmann sure had his finger up his butt when he made that decision.

As much as it sucks that Joel is gone, it was clear at the end of the first game he was going off the deep end lying to Ellie to feed his "you're my little girl now" fantasy. You'd have to be blind to not see that it couldn't end well for him.

Or should they have just perpetuated the fantasy and pretended there wouldn't be consequences for all the killing he did to feed that fantasy? They showed nothing BUT consequences for Joel's actions in Part I from his rep as a smuggler to all the faction fights.

People that choose to play Part II need to just open their eyes first and get a grip on reality.

Originally posted by peremptor:

Games are supposed to indoctrinate you not entertain you anymore. Get with the program friend :)

God forbid a piece of art has a message! Whatever shall we do!

Originally posted by Corso:

Originally posted by Badman:

Corso is also on the Dead Space Remake topic, don't feed him.

glad you noticed. i've got more steam points than you, just so you know.
my points are valid. this game is atrocious. they killed off joel. what in the stinky hell were they thinking when they wrote that?
i can say nice things about this game, btw.
its gorgeous. on a technical level its absolutely stunning. the visuals and the optimisation are bar non some of the best ever.
but dear god, lord jesus above, why kill off joel as such? drunkmann sure had his finger up his butt when he made that decision.

boohoo, your cool dad guy is gone.
Learn to be entertained by the sense of grief it gives you. It lightens up a whole world.

Originally posted by Corso:

Originally posted by Badman:

Corso is also on the Dead Space Remake topic, don't feed him.

glad you noticed. i've got more steam points than you, just so you know.
my points are valid. this game is atrocious. they killed off joel. what in the stinky hell were they thinking when they wrote that?
i can say nice things about this game, btw.
its gorgeous. on a technical level its absolutely stunning. the visuals and the optimisation are bar non some of the best ever.
but dear god, lord jesus above, why kill off joel as such? drunkmann sure had his finger up his butt when he made that decision.

This game is fantastic. Who cares that Joel died? That's part of the story. If you're honestly crying about that, then you should not watch movies anymore or play a game with a storyline.

This game is absolutely awful. Sucks ass. The first is a masterpiece. This game is a fat sticky turd.

Here's 5 guns with 3 bullets each. You carry a backpack but max out at a single magazine and won't carry any more ammo? Why?

And what's up with the whole Synagogue section filled with speeches about being Jewish? And then later on the pride flags? Most buildings are literally falling apart, but decades later pride flags are still flying?

It's so tiresome. Whatever you personal beliefs are don't inject them into games. The first game was pretty woke but it didn't go out of his way to push the agenda down your throat. The game is just in your face about it.

Originally posted by Ayre:

This game is absolutely awful. Sucks ass. The first is a masterpiece. This game is a fat sticky turd.

Here's 5 guns with 3 bullets each. You carry a backpack but max out at a single magazine and won't carry any more ammo? Why?

And what's up with the whole Synagogue section filled with speeches about being Jewish? And then later on the pride flags? Most buildings are literally falling apart, but decades later pride flags are still flying?

It's so tiresome. Whatever you personal beliefs are don't inject them into games. The first game was pretty woke but it didn't go out of his way to push the agenda down your throat. The game is just in your face about it.

Well, the ammo thing was exactly the same in your "masterpiece part 1", a masterpiece it quite clearly was not then :).

Even worse:
Joel seemed unable to find any useful close combat weapon until the very end and had to make ridiculous shivs from scrap. When all the world must be full with stainless steel knives, tool shops and whatnot, lol. Close combat weapons like axes, hatchets, (combat/hunting)knives would be everybodies minimal equipment, but Joel cannot do it... . Much, much better in TLOU Part 2.

Story:
The hospital at the end as masterpiece? Really? How that went down was dumb as F****.
The Fireflies, especially with Marlene as leader had not a single brain cell between them. Joel should just got a bullet in his head when it became clear they had to kill Ellie for the cure. At the latest they should have shot him in the face in Marlenes office :). The great Joel would have had an even worse death than he had in Part 2. Telling him to the face "we have to kill your surrogate kid" and then let him walk, yeah, brillant move, especially since Marlene knew his past (with Sarah) and what he was capable of. Really, a "masterpiece in storytelling", lol.

But no..., we must have a stupid shootout with a forced decision (sacrifice Ellie or the world and by that himself).

Btw: Joels death. How it was done in Part 2 was quite convincing. Anybody could have died like that, nobody would expect the person you just saved to shoot your legs off :).

Anyway: Both games had great weaknesses in the storytelling, so that is an even for me. I can ignore some colorful flags or whatever. I do not mind. Seeing it or hearing it does not make me forget how to think on my own you know. It should be the same for you, lol :).
Mechanics and gameplay were on a whole another level in TLOU part 2.

Originally posted by Frag Maniac:

Originally posted by Corso:

glad you noticed. i've got more steam points than you, just so you know.
my points are valid. this game is atrocious. they killed off joel. what in the stinky hell were they thinking when they wrote that?
i can say nice things about this game, btw.
its gorgeous. on a technical level its absolutely stunning. the visuals and the optimisation are bar non some of the best ever.
but dear god, lord jesus above, why kill off joel as such? drunkmann sure had his finger up his butt when he made that decision.

As much as it sucks that Joel is gone, it was clear at the end of the first game he was going off the deep end lying to Ellie to feed his "you're my little girl now" fantasy. You'd have to be blind to not see that it couldn't end well for him.

Or should they have just perpetuated the fantasy and pretended there wouldn't be consequences for all the killing he did to feed that fantasy? They showed nothing BUT consequences for Joel's actions in Part I from his rep as a smuggler to all the faction fights.

People that choose to play Part II need to just open their eyes first and get a grip on reality.

I do not get why this seems so difficult for some people :). It is a classic story about violence and its consequences. That never ends well. When there is a kid in such a story it is basically mandatory to kill the parent figure so that the kid can go on a rampage and discover for themselves, that violence does nobody any good in the long term. Even if there is nobody else left you have to live with yourself after all :).

I never liked Joel much as a character, the killing scene itself was fine. Even a spec ops guy can die like that when he does not see it coming, which is very unlikely the way it was written. The death of Joel was MUCH more convincing than the hospitral scene with Marlene in TLOU part 1.

Originally posted by Ayre:

This game is absolutely awful. Sucks ass. The first is a masterpiece. This game is a fat sticky turd.

Here's 5 guns with 3 bullets each. You carry a backpack but max out at a single magazine and won't carry any more ammo? Why?

And what's up with the whole Synagogue section filled with speeches about being Jewish? And then later on the pride flags? Most buildings are literally falling apart, but decades later pride flags are still flying?

It's so tiresome. Whatever you personal beliefs are don't inject them into games. The first game was pretty woke but it didn't go out of his way to push the agenda down your throat. The game is just in your face about it.

Cant even get away from Bigots in single player games nowadays, literally dozens of hours of this game with so called "normal" relationships and other so called "normal" stuff and your big complaint is that for 10 seconds you see some pride flags :D

The reactions after they start singing is how people feel about pride flags anymore... hehehe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5HQ1sZseKg&t=5s

Originally posted by lucent:

The reactions after they start singing is how people feel about pride flags anymore... hehehe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5HQ1sZseKg&t=5s

this game sucks, Seraphites? are you kidding me. this is terrible. what is even the point of this part of the game? horrible gameplay, bad development.

Originally posted by Zephyr:

I do not get why this seems so difficult for some people :). It is a classic story about violence and its consequences. That never ends well. When there is a kid in such a story it is basically mandatory to kill the parent figure so that the kid can go on a rampage and discover for themselves, that violence does nobody any good in the long term. Even if there is nobody else left you have to live with yourself after all :).

I never liked Joel much as a character, the killing scene itself was fine. Even a spec ops guy can die like that when he does not see it coming, which is very unlikely the way it was written. The death of Joel was MUCH more convincing than the hospitral scene with Marlene in TLOU part 1.

Yeah even in the flashbacks in Part II where Joel gets smug after Ellie crawls into the hotel saying she's too skinny and needs to eat more, and accosts Seth, it's clear he's become a bit of a twisted, possessive control freak, as if he's a very non translucent surrogate father. That kind of hypocrisy never makes for a good father figure.