for 6 euro's your being quite the cheapscape....... atm....... ;)

Don't be a prick @ Christian.

Armies are divided into individual tokens that take place in provinces which devolve into capturing the towns of said province. Tokens vary, being individuals (Such as Ogres) or entire formations of a unit (such as Pikemen.)

I guess the map scale could be europe, the scale of a province defence felt fine by me.... Fantasy general 2d island would fit the bill in comparison... The a.i. attacked at 3 fronts feeling both away from the other conflicts but not to far not to consider sending reïnforcements. The a.i. even regrouped .. now how about that?? Don't forget this is the same studio that brought us panzercorps and warhammer 40k armageddon!

@Keyblocker... awwww cmon

@Keyblockor: OK, so it ranges from individuals to formations? So it is a bit abstracted I guess (if Christian is right that the whole map is Europe-sized then a hex would probably be quite a few acres of land, and I can't imagine a single Ogre holding such an area by itself), which is a shame for me - I am really looking for a fantasy strategy hex game that would keep stuff to scale. It helps me with immersion. But still, thanks, I might try the game anyways.

Well you can do like me and always autoresolve battles. I like to play the game like an advanced version of good old Warlords. It's the grand strategy scale I like the most with it.

Fantasy wars might be the game for you then or fallen enchantress maybe

oh and ufnal your commanding regiments

Originally posted by Christian:

Fantasy wars might be the game for you then or fallen enchantress maybe

Age of Wonders series too.

i still need to dig my heels in and try the third installment. Only played the tutorial campaign.. 1st mission was oke but the 2d one.. i guess i wanted to much or to little.. still need to figure that out :D

There isn't really much attention to scale in the battles, though i can't see how it matters that much.

It's a pretty good dame - similar to Birthright at strategic level (you get to choose which out of many kingdoms to control and have diplomats, spies , can trade for resources, go to war, recruit units, build forts, develop the economy of provinces etc). In battles it's similar to Fantasy General with two dimensional units and battlefield graphics and hex based.

Main weakness at the moment is the battle AI isn't very good. Other than that pretty good game.

Age of Wonders III is pretty great. Even better with expansions and mods and random maps. I'd reccomend it. It's 75% off on steam atm too. Though i think the expansions aren't at the same discount for some reason - and they add a lot of good game mechanics, plus the best mods require the expansions.

Fantasy Wars has 3d graphics and is quite good, but the campaigns are just a set of missions, you don't get the kind of open world strategic choices you get in Sovereignty. And it's annoying that you never get to deploy all your units for a map. And that losing one veteran unit pretty much requires a reload. The battle AI is much better than Soveriegnty battle AI though.

Fallen Enchantress is really fun in the early exploration and adventuring and city founding stage of the game, but pretty dull after that, with all the races looking pretty similar and all having the same kind of units.

I ended up buying the game. And I still am not sure about the scale.

Why it matters? Well, for me half of the fun in playing a strategy game is making a narrative of what happens in the game. I am the type of guy who sometimes does AARs, but always does them in his head. And it makes a big difference in imagining the story of what happens in the game whether the battles that happen represent single deciding fights between two armies taking place on a singular battlefield (as in, say, Dominions or Heroes of Might & Magic) or regiments maneuvering across whole provinces and engaging in skirmishes and battles for the crucial cities and landmarks (as in, for a lack of better comparison, War in the East or Hearts of Iron). If I ever end up doing an AAR for this game, I will have to think of something, I guess.

Originally posted by Ufnal:

I ended up buying the game. And I still am not sure about the scale.

Why it matters? Well, for me half of the fun in playing a strategy game is making a narrative of what happens in the game. I am the type of guy who sometimes does AARs, but always does them in his head. And it makes a big difference in imagining the story of what happens in the game whether the battles that happen represent single deciding fights between two armies taking place on a singular battlefield (as in, say, Dominions or Heroes of Might & Magic) or regiments maneuvering across whole provinces and engaging in skirmishes and battles for the crucial cities and landmarks (as in, for a lack of better comparison, War in the East or Hearts of Iron). If I ever end up doing an AAR for this game, I will have to think of something, I guess.

As do I sometimes. It kind of works for me here with Auto battles where I picture two armies standing against each other in formation and engaging each other.

-Oooh they're doing an Alexander right wing cavalry flanking!

-Dangit the centre did not hold!

-Hah they got squeezed like in Canae.

-Hm they're exchanging shots like two Napoleonic armies until someone collapses.

And so on. Helps having some knowledge of historic battles and tactics. :)

Originally posted by Undergrowler:

As do I sometimes. It kind of works for me here with Auto battles where I picture two armies standing against each other in formation and engaging each other.

-Oooh they're doing an Alexander right wing cavalry flanking!

-Dangit the centre did not hold!

-Hah they got squeezed like in Canae.

-Hm they're exchanging shots like two Napoleonic armies until someone collapses.

And so on. Helps having some knowledge of historic battles and tactics. :)

...huh, that's neat! I was thinking more about trying to spin a tale of how the presence of magics means massed battles are not a thing (a mage can blow your whole army up), so there are more isolated regiment engagements across the whole province instead. But using autobattles is an interesting idea, thanks!

I'm guessing a unit of pikemen is about 30 men.

Originally posted by Vargas78:

I'm guessing a unit of pikemen is about 30 men.

That would be way less then I would guess. Then a fully maxed army of pikemen would be what, 600 men? I'd go with ~10 times higher numbers, actually.