this game is from 2019

no Casino in Punishing Gray Raven. you get a 100% drop each new released character. And you have like 2 or 3 free characters to get each year (and they are very strong), and 2 free characters for anniversary that you can choose in the roster.
This Gatcha is one of the most generous that exist actually. And the best muscis with a great story in it... and the best boss fights you can have.

And if you do all your dailies/weeklies/events and avoid pulling on other things, you pretty much can guarantee to have enough to pull every new character when they release as a f2p.

Messaggio originale di JyoKun:

no Casino in Punishing Gray Raven. you get a 100% drop each new released character. And you have like 2 or 3 free characters to get each year (and they are very strong), and 2 free characters for anniversary that you can choose in the roster.
This Gatcha is one of the most generous that exist actually. And the best muscis with a great story in it... and the best boss fights you can have.

I agree that PGR is one of the best gachas out here, but let's not defend gacha practices, okay?

Well you're playing a Live service Asian game Mr. Westerner, there will be always tricky monetization because it's the only way to keep the game alive for a longer time, this kind of practice has been around as early as in 2000s like any Chinese/Korean made Counter Strike like CS nexon and CrossFire
Also you should be grateful that Gacha is the way to monetize this Asian game unlike the old-school Monetization Asian game

That's how it is. There's always great single player games out there without micro transactions.

Messaggio originale di TooshFatoosh:

I keep hoping that they will make a regular damn video game just one time.

Because everyone know that a good gacha is de facto worst than a trash AAA cash grab...

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Messaggio originale di JyoKun:

no Casino in Punishing Gray Raven. you get a 100% drop each new released character. And you have like 2 or 3 free characters to get each year (and they are very strong), and 2 free characters for anniversary that you can choose in the roster.
This Gatcha is one of the most generous that exist actually. And the best muscis with a great story in it... and the best boss fights you can have.

I agree that PGR is one of the best gachas out here, but let's not defend gacha practices, okay? :HappyFragger:

Yeah, I agree. Just because one gacha system is more generous or fair than others doesn’t mean the monetization itself isn’t problematic.
And another thing that absolutely deserves criticism, besides the character pulling/gambling, is the energy/time‑gating these games use. That stuff kills so much of the potential fun. I could live with some of the gacha mechanics, but time‑gating is just awful in my opinion.

Messaggio originale di SSRB 赤獅子:

Well you're playing a Live service Asian game Mr. Westerner, there will be always tricky monetization because it's the only way to keep the game alive for a longer time, this kind of practice has been around as early as in 2000s like any Chinese/Korean made Counter Strike like CS nexon and CrossFire
Also you should be grateful that Gacha is the way to monetize this Asian game unlike the old-school Monetization Asian game

Live‑service monetization isn’t exclusive to Asian games, and criticizing a system doesn’t make someone ‘ungrateful.’ just be cause it was worse back in the days, Plenty of free to play titles manage to stay alive for years without predatory gacha mechanics.
Path of Exile, Warframe, Guild Wars 2, Albion online, and even Fortnite all monetize through cosmetics, expansions, or optional convenience, not gambling style character rolls.
So yes, gacha has existed for decades, but longevity doesn’t automatically justify every implementation. Players are allowed to enjoy a game and still expect fair monetization. Criticism isn’t disrespect, it’s part of wanting the game to be better.

Messaggio originale di Ba Ba Bi Bu Bu Ba ♪:

Plenty of free to play titles manage to stay alive for years without predatory gacha mechanics.
Path of Exile, Warframe, Guild Wars 2, Albion online, and even Fortnite all monetize through cosmetics...

Warframe monetize litteraly EVERYTHINGS, it even sell the prime frame at 100$... On top of this there's the market where tons of people use real money to even buy mods.
There isn't "plenty" of games that only sell cosmetic and survive. There's only a handfull of them.

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Messaggio originale di Ba Ba Bi Bu Bu Ba ♪:

Plenty of free to play titles manage to stay alive for years without predatory gacha mechanics.
Path of Exile, Warframe, Guild Wars 2, Albion online, and even Fortnite all monetize through cosmetics...

Warframe monetize litteraly EVERYTHINGS, it even sell the prime frame at 100$... On top of this there's the market where tons of people use real money to even buy mods.
There isn't "plenty" of games that only sell cosmetic and survive. There's only a handfull of them.

I never said those games make money only through cosmetics. If you read my comment again, you’ll see that I also specifically mentioned ‘expansions or optional convenience.’
And in Warframe’s case, yes, there are optional convenience purchases and ways to speed up progress, but the important part is that none of it is mandatory. As far as I know, you can earn everything just by playing. And if I’m not mistaken, Warframe is by design a grind heavy game, the grind is part of its core appeal. Because of that, I doubt most players are just buying everything with real money instead of actually playing the game as intended. Sure, some people pay to skip parts of the grind, but I’d assume the majority don’t spend money to skip progression.
Albion Online is another example I play myself. You can buy almost anything with real money, but you can also earn the same things simply by playing. The game doesn’t lock you behind energy systems or time gating, and it’s still a thriving, even growing title without resorting to predatory monetization, at least imo.

Are you asking for a game developer to stop making as much money as they currently do just to cater to you, and you alone?

Delusional.

Why are you here and crying for attention? If you dont like anime/gacha games its fine but dont go their page and act like a clown

Messaggio originale di Kyota:

Are you asking for a game developer to stop making as much money as they currently do just to cater to you, and you alone?

Delusional.

Wtf is that logic?
Pointing out a bad monetization practice isn’t the same as demanding a studio sstop making money. That’s a lazy strawman. And when exactly did anyone of us say I want these changes only for me? I’m pretty sure most people agree that gacha business practices are bad and borderline unethical. The only people who usually defend them are those addicted to gacha systems and conditioned by these ‘games.’
And now let me show you how ridiculous your argument sounds to anyone who isn’t deep in that gacha mindset:
"Are you asking for the US pharma industry to stop making as much money as they currently do just to cater to being more ethical and consumer friendly?"
If you know anything about the unethical practices of the US pharma industry, you can see how absurd your argument becomes when applied to another exploitative business model.

this game older than genshin