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SevenDeadJr 10 Aug @ 3:17am
Did the hand held shields get nerfed?
It used to feel like if any type of physical attack hit you from the front while blocking it would negate the damage but now sometimes normal melee attacks go through and blocking gunshots with any shield seems to be impossible which is kinda rough because some of the late game baddies with guns can really tear through your HP and leave with some heavy bleeds and I'm not sure how to deal with them anymore without being able to block them. i remember the hard light shield being able to reflect them so I'm not sure why they just go straight through and still damage and bleed me now. was it intentional to make it so handheld shields were only good for blocking melee attackers of a similar size in 1.0?
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Cursed Hawkins 10 Aug @ 3:21am 
I believe they made it so attacks have tiers to them because before 1.0 you could use the plastic shield to block a damn sniper shot before breaking... not exactly the intended result of a shield of the basic shield can tank a .308 round (snipers drop this ammo so you can assume that's the ammo used for their rifles) like it's nothing.
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SevenDeadJr 10 Aug @ 3:28am 
Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:
I believe they made it so attacks have tiers to them because before 1.0 you could use the plastic shield to block a damn sniper shot before breaking... not exactly the intended result of a shield of the basic shield can tank a .308 round (snipers drop this ammo so you can assume that's the ammo used for their rifles) like it's nothing.
true but I've made it to the reactors sector and I'm sporting the fancy hard light shield now and the Jotuns are shooting straight through it despite their faction using the same tech to block just about every type of damage you can deal to them, I'm not sure if its still somehow considered a lower tier or not but I'm still at a loss for how to avoid getting chipped away from gunfire
Last edited by SevenDeadJr; 10 Aug @ 3:29am
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Cursed Hawkins 10 Aug @ 3:33am 
Originally posted by SevenDeadJr:
Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:
I believe they made it so attacks have tiers to them because before 1.0 you could use the plastic shield to block a damn sniper shot before breaking... not exactly the intended result of a shield of the basic shield can tank a .308 round (snipers drop this ammo so you can assume that's the ammo used for their rifles) like it's nothing.
true but I've made it to the reactors sector and I'm sporting the fancy hard light shield now and the Jotuns are shooting straight through it despite their faction using the same tech to block just about every type of damage you can deal to them, I'm not sure if its still somehow considered a lower tier or not but I'm still at a loss for how to avoid getting chipped away from gunfire
Well if the shield itself is broken due to constantly taking hits then no matter the tier of attack it'll get through, now I'm not saying yours is broken as I'm sure you're maintaining the thing like anyone else would maintain their own armor and shields.
Edit: as for avoiding gunfire, best I can suggest is use firearms (though if you need accuracy levels wait until the blackout event happens that way you have a giant worm as your target.) or find alternate routes for flanking maneuvers.
Last edited by Cursed Hawkins; 10 Aug @ 3:35am
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SevenDeadJr 10 Aug @ 3:42am 
ill just have to adjust I suppose, maybe try using a few of trinkets that give some protection
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Monokuma 10 Aug @ 4:03am 
Originally posted by SevenDeadJr:
Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:
I believe they made it so attacks have tiers to them because before 1.0 you could use the plastic shield to block a damn sniper shot before breaking... not exactly the intended result of a shield of the basic shield can tank a .308 round (snipers drop this ammo so you can assume that's the ammo used for their rifles) like it's nothing.
true but I've made it to the reactors sector and I'm sporting the fancy hard light shield now and the Jotuns are shooting straight through it despite their faction using the same tech to block just about every type of damage you can deal to them, I'm not sure if its still somehow considered a lower tier or not but I'm still at a loss for how to avoid getting chipped away from gunfire
If it doesn't make sense for Jotuns to have the same shield penetration as snipers, keep in mind they drop the same ammo. It's a rare case of realism in videogames where the bullet caliber matters more than the actual gun it comes out of.

Edit: Also, the shield generator itself may be stronger than the hardlight shield you can craft, as you have to find a defunct shield generator to make the hardlight shield generator trinket. An imitation on a shield might not perform as well.
Last edited by Monokuma; 10 Aug @ 4:08am
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Kairi ♡ 10 Aug @ 4:53am 
Originally posted by Monokuma:
Originally posted by SevenDeadJr:
true but I've made it to the reactors sector and I'm sporting the fancy hard light shield now and the Jotuns are shooting straight through it despite their faction using the same tech to block just about every type of damage you can deal to them, I'm not sure if its still somehow considered a lower tier or not but I'm still at a loss for how to avoid getting chipped away from gunfire
If it doesn't make sense for Jotuns to have the same shield penetration as snipers, keep in mind they drop the same ammo. It's a rare case of realism in videogames where the bullet caliber matters more than the actual gun it comes out of.

Edit: Also, the shield generator itself may be stronger than the hardlight shield you can craft, as you have to find a defunct shield generator to make the hardlight shield generator trinket. An imitation on a shield might not perform as well.

Jotuns fire literal machinegun at you, that normal human probably can't even carry, let alone fire from it without flying away due to recoil.

Shield generator isn't stronger, than hardlight shield, but protects your whole body at all times, and even from things like fall damage. At least, our version isn't stronger, since we re-engineer broken shield generator, rather than using mass produced version Gatekeepers use. Hardlight shield still can deflect shots right back at attacker.
Last edited by Kairi ♡; 10 Aug @ 4:59am
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Monokuma 10 Aug @ 4:58am 
Originally posted by Kairi ♡:
Shield generator isn't stronger, than hardlight shield, but protects your whole body at all times, and even from things like fall damage. At least, our version isn't stronger, since we re-engineer broken shield generator, rather than using mass produced version Gatekeepers use.

The shield generator trinket would be stronger because it actually uses a recovered gatekeeper shield generator, but the hardlight shield does NOT have that tech and is an imitation of the tech gatekeepers use.
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Kairi ♡ 10 Aug @ 5:02am 
Originally posted by Monokuma:
Originally posted by Kairi ♡:
Shield generator isn't stronger, than hardlight shield, but protects your whole body at all times, and even from things like fall damage. At least, our version isn't stronger, since we re-engineer broken shield generator, rather than using mass produced version Gatekeepers use.

The shield generator trinket would be stronger because it actually uses a recovered gatekeeper shield generator, but the hardlight shield does NOT have that tech and is an imitation of the tech gatekeepers use.

Hardlight shield can deflect shots back at attackers, but shield generator doesn't have this ability, probably due to us having access only to broken shield generator, rather than fully operational factory version Gatekeepers use.

While player character certainly is a genius to repair shield generator, one still would need knowledge from Synapse labs to fully restore one to it's factory condition, and we do not have that.
Last edited by Kairi ♡; 10 Aug @ 5:03am
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Monokuma 10 Aug @ 5:03am 
Originally posted by Kairi ♡:
Originally posted by Monokuma:

The shield generator trinket would be stronger because it actually uses a recovered gatekeeper shield generator, but the hardlight shield does NOT have that tech and is an imitation of the tech gatekeepers use.

Hardlight shield can deflect shots back at attackers, but shield generator doesn't have this ability, probably due to us having access only to broken shield generator, rather than fully operational factory version Gatekeepers use.
The gatekeeper body shields also do not deflect bullets, just absorb them as a damage buffer.
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Kairi ♡ 10 Aug @ 5:06am 
Originally posted by Monokuma:
Originally posted by Kairi ♡:

Hardlight shield can deflect shots back at attackers, but shield generator doesn't have this ability, probably due to us having access only to broken shield generator, rather than fully operational factory version Gatekeepers use.
The gatekeeper body shields also do not deflect bullets, just absorb them as a damage buffer.

Yet they are way stronger, than ones we get to use. Zip shield has 200 hp, Kylie shield has 300 hp. Neophyte has 225 hp shield, so we are only slightly weaker, but Jotuns have massive 800 hp shield on their whole body. That's 4x as strong, as our best(besides Kylie) efforts can achieve.
Last edited by Kairi ♡; 10 Aug @ 5:08am
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Monokuma 10 Aug @ 5:10am 
Originally posted by Kairi ♡:
Yet they are way stronger, than ones we get to use. Zip shield has 200 hp, Kylie shield has 300 hp. Neophyte has 225 hp shield, so we are only slightly weaker, but Jotuns have massive 800 hp shield on their whole body. That's 4x as strong, as our best(besides Kylie) efforts can achieve.
That doesn't really conflict with anything I said, though. I was comparing the craftable hardlight shield to the craftable hardlight trinket in relation to whether or not a .308 round can punch through and hurt the player directly.
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Kairi ♡ 10 Aug @ 5:14am 
Originally posted by Monokuma:
Originally posted by Kairi ♡:
Yet they are way stronger, than ones we get to use. Zip shield has 200 hp, Kylie shield has 300 hp. Neophyte has 225 hp shield, so we are only slightly weaker, but Jotuns have massive 800 hp shield on their whole body. That's 4x as strong, as our best(besides Kylie) efforts can achieve.
That doesn't really conflict with anything I said, though. I was comparing the craftable hardlight shield to the craftable hardlight trinket in relation to whether or not a .308 round can punch through and hurt the player directly.

I think it's just developers trying to not make riot shield obsolete, since by all accounts, hardlight shield will be superior shield and you won't need any other, if game logic was applied - hardlight bridges can not be damaged by any normal damage, so wearing GATE Security armor set and using hardlight shield, you are effectively immune to any damage, as long as shield's charge isn't 0(and it gets slowly recharged via vial).
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The Minted Lady 10 Aug @ 5:27am 
Personally, I switched back to the riot shield. The hard light shield didn't seem to be doing very well in protecting me, but I've even had the riot shield help me get past those sniping automatic turret rifles that shoot like machine guns. Maybe it's because it is much taller than the other shields? Whatever the reason, I found it far more useful to block damage.
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Kairi ♡ 10 Aug @ 5:38am 
Originally posted by The Minted Lady:
Personally, I switched back to the riot shield. The hard light shield didn't seem to be doing very well in protecting me, but I've even had the riot shield help me get past those sniping automatic turret rifles that shoot like machine guns. Maybe it's because it is much taller than the other shields? Whatever the reason, I found it far more useful to block damage.

You can try to use hardlight saber instead - somehow it blocks 100% of damage from automatic turrets.
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SevenDeadJr 10 Aug @ 1:26pm 
after playing a bit more it seems i may have been a bit too hasty in what i said because the shield I'm using seems to be able to block anything short of 308. and the mounted machine guns so maybe I am just a little too worried about Jotuns... they are one of the few enemies in the game i get genuinely intimidated by which is cool because I rather actually have an enemy in the game that makes me think twice
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