I think it's just the way bot "aim" works. When they see you, depending on distance and what weapon they have, they'll fire in an RNG cone facing your model that shrinks over time. If the RNG happens to land in their favor then you get hit. You can see this in action with things like shotgun bots at close range, they're accuracy is super consistent, while bots with AKs will sometimes dump their entire mags into the wall next to you. Another fun anecdote about this system is bots using the bolt action rifles. They'll shoot once, and usually miss, but their cones are still shrinking while they cycle the bolt, meaning chances are shot 2 is a guaranteed hit, and if you didn't hear shot one it will feel like you're getting peeped by some 2k hour pvp nerd that memorized all the map routes, or in other words the genuine sandstorm pvp experience!

Also bots don't have issues just get gud lmao

stop whining , bots r perfect in this mod keep moving and use cover and adjust difficulty

Originally posted by No1:

stop whining , bots r perfect in this mod keep moving and use cover and adjust difficulty

Not at all helpful nor does it contribute anything to the discussion. "keep moving and take cover" might be helpful if I was one of the usual "headless chicken" players who sprints and rushes everywhere and into everything, but I am not. I am slow and careful, and I play on a slow and careful server, which emphasises these issues for me.
I don't see what's "perfect" about a bot headshotting someone the moment they spawn in randomly around the map, with spawn protection making them immune to retaliation.

Chicken seems like they're on the money. I feel like it could be solved by preventing the bots from shooting the instant they see you, and / or them actually having to aim, thereby removing these instances where a bot can sprint out of cover, hipfire you with a .50 cal while sprinting (while you're in cover and holding down their position) and sprint back into cover without stopping. Happens with automatic weapons too, but since the update they've been doing this with a single tap to the head a lot more, so it seems far more intentional than spraying down your position and a bullet happens to catch you.

Bots are not perfect when they can win situations they should not be able to, while doing things a player cannot do, within a timeframe that a human wouldn't be able to react to. That ain't fun.

THEY NOT EVEN HITTING PEOPLE
hour of footage with 7 bots shooting at me standing still
stop lying

Originally posted by DustinM:

THEY NOT EVEN HITTING PEOPLE
hour of footage with 7 bots shooting at me standing still
stop lying

How very rude. I have much more than an hour of footage of the opposite, so clearly I am not. Sometimes bots are absolute Stormtroopers, but they snapshot often enough. Just yesterday got nailed in the head by a bot that was still sprinting with an MG3.

Originally posted by SkywardSoul117:

Originally posted by DustinM:

THEY NOT EVEN HITTING PEOPLE
hour of footage with 7 bots shooting at me standing still
stop lying

How very rude. I have much more than an hour of footage of the opposite, so clearly I am not. Sometimes bots are absolute Stormtroopers, but they snapshot often enough. Just yesterday got nailed in the head by a bot that was still sprinting with an MG3.

Well, if you're playing Coop on the CTE, let us know how it goes. The bots generally felt more fair (but also pretty easy) when I did a Coop match there.

Would you people read the topic date?

I HAVE PLAYED FOR HOURS ! THE BOTS DONT SHOOT AT YOU
I HAVE 8 FRIENDS ALL SAYING SAME THING
we didnt just watch footage we played it
BROKEN!

Originally posted by DustinM:

I HAVE PLAYED FOR HOURS ! THE BOTS DONT SHOOT AT YOU
I HAVE 8 FRIENDS ALL SAYING SAME THING
we didnt just watch footage we played it
BROKEN!

Speaking in capitals makes people take you seriously.

STAY AWAY LOL ANYONE WHO TELLS YOU ITS GOOD IS ONLY PLAYING PVP

Originally posted by DustinM:

STAY AWAY LOL ANYONE WHO TELLS YOU ITS GOOD IS ONLY PLAYING PVP

We know you're trolling at this point. I will report any future posts like this one from you.

Originally posted by Marksman Max:

Originally posted by SkywardSoul117:

How very rude. I have much more than an hour of footage of the opposite, so clearly I am not. Sometimes bots are absolute Stormtroopers, but they snapshot often enough. Just yesterday got nailed in the head by a bot that was still sprinting with an MG3.

Well, if you're playing Coop on the CTE, let us know how it goes. The bots generally felt more fair (but also pretty easy) when I did a Coop match there.

I noticed a few cases of insane aimbotting while playing in the firing range, but the one match I played so far in the new map seemed mostly fair. Noticed a couple of instances of bots shooting through cars and door frames still, but I can't really give a verdict yet.

And yeah, they're probably trolling.

Originally posted by SkywardSoul117:

Originally posted by Marksman Max:

Well, if you're playing Coop on the CTE, let us know how it goes. The bots generally felt more fair (but also pretty easy) when I did a Coop match there.

I noticed a few cases of insane aimbotting while playing in the firing range, but the one match I played so far in the new map seemed mostly fair. Noticed a couple of instances of bots shooting through cars and door frames still, but I can't really give a verdict yet.

And yeah, they're probably trolling.

not trolling , the devs know they are not shooting bullets loool
if you people would just pay attention the bots are shooting but not at you

Originally posted by SkywardSoul117:

I can't tell if it's just survival, or if bots have changed a bit in the CTE overall, but they seem to "cheat" a lot more than they did before. They seem to sprint shoot more, prefire / instashoot when running around corners, and kill you immediately upon them spawning far more than before. Survival feels like an exercise in frustration quite often because of this. Going from one point to another with god-aim bots spawning all around you isn't fun. I frequently get one tapped from the most obscure directions when trying to pick a less exposed or secure route.
The existing issues with bots were frustrating but workable in checkpoint, but here they really damage the experience. I like a challenge, but frankly they just feel cheap at the moment. Nobody can acquire, aim, and pinpoint shoot a guy in concealed cover on the first shot, while running, within half a second, from 100m.

Edit: bringing up bot issues tends to bring out the "bots don't have issues, just get gud lmao" people, none of it please.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKybDdGHZHE

As someone that played since launch and only ever played checkpoint. The current ai is the tamest they've ever been, sure they've always had issues with snap shots and the like, but it's far less common this last year. Especially so since they are hard limited to 50m range now.

There's also the thing about how the game has been optimized with the ai, how they seem to have less animations than they used to, or like, lacking frames in certain animations. This is very apparent when they try to slide or go through doors. It's as if their hit boxes and animations don't line up with what you see third person.

As I said, there's still moments where the ai just feel unfair. But it's far less common than it used to be, however, because people can play like absolute donkeys now when the ai is generally way too easy, it makes the godlike ai moments feel all the more unfair.

Be careful asking for ai changes though, or asking for easier ai, because if they change the godlike bots to be easier, that same change will also make the easy ai even easier. It's like when people asked for bug fixes for over a year, then clean sweep came out as a dedicated bug fixing patch, and created more issues than any other version since the game launched..