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Landlord Hyree (alla pengar) 22 Mar, 2019 @ 5:25pm
There is not enough information to answer
Do anyone agree that Women are not opressed is impossible to answer given the small slice of the world we are given? And about xenophobia i mean its fear of whats different than you/unknown that has made cultures and people survive and people able to avoid danger so it matters what the word actually mean in the context.

It depends who defines the word is it a leftist that thinks its xenophobic to misgender someone or if we not have totaly open boarders(even though it objectively has major issues due to the construction of the welfare state or something)etc?

Or is it a conservative(or someone) who thinks very little is Xenophobic because we should be "free" that is mainstream in that world?. There is not enough information to answer these questions. Nice game but glaring massive logical holes.
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Originally posted by Knight:
First, xenophobic has nothing to do with "misgendering" someone. Xenophobia is "fear of foreigners."

I believe what you are asking is the following: This is a unique universe set up by the devs, the devs made it so that in this universe women are oppressed, therefore: isn't it unfair to accuse the game of falsely implying women aren't oppressed in a universe in which they are?

Is there any evidence of aliens on the moon? If Akara were to suddenly ask "should we keep ignoring aliens on the moon?" Would a responses such as "huh?" be preposterous or are we to randomly assume this seemingly random information is just a universal axiom to accept in this universe? Should we be called stupid for not believing in them?

To explain what that last paragraph means: there's no evidence of female oppression. Of all things you have reason to believe the opposite is the case. For men, we have a crippled bar owner, a torturer, and ai developer. For women you have a trans corporate employee everyone seems to like who is stupidly sexually aggressive, an islamic lawyer, a leader of a corporation, an ai that potentially controls the world, a suicidal possibly corporate stooge, an office consultant at hr that is gay for the trans, I could go on.

So for the game to naturally spell out, this is what's going on, there'd need to be evidence of it, of which we see the complete and total opposite. So it unnaturally introduces the idea out of nowhere, then slaps you in the face for questioning it.

A better answer to your question would come from the devs themselves who've admitted it's an allegory to real world issues and they wanted to make fun of users for not acknowledging it.

So, sorry to dash your hopes, but this game is political left-leaning vitriol that breaks the fourth wall to mock anything that leans slightly to the right of Stalin.
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GLsimtam 30 Mar, 2019 @ 9:04am 
It's not the question that is asked in the game though.

To explain, best to look up how other people play this game. For example, a let's play youtuber

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvR_iWeue1E&t=21m

and the player's thought process goes like this:

"should I let women remain oppressed ohmmmm... that's a much larger question than a yes or no... so let's have her expand on that"

That's the flaw in the dialogue design right there.
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Knight 4 Apr, 2019 @ 8:09pm 
First, xenophobic has nothing to do with "misgendering" someone. Xenophobia is "fear of foreigners."

I believe what you are asking is the following: This is a unique universe set up by the devs, the devs made it so that in this universe women are oppressed, therefore: isn't it unfair to accuse the game of falsely implying women aren't oppressed in a universe in which they are?

Is there any evidence of aliens on the moon? If Akara were to suddenly ask "should we keep ignoring aliens on the moon?" Would a responses such as "huh?" be preposterous or are we to randomly assume this seemingly random information is just a universal axiom to accept in this universe? Should we be called stupid for not believing in them?

To explain what that last paragraph means: there's no evidence of female oppression. Of all things you have reason to believe the opposite is the case. For men, we have a crippled bar owner, a torturer, and ai developer. For women you have a trans corporate employee everyone seems to like who is stupidly sexually aggressive, an islamic lawyer, a leader of a corporation, an ai that potentially controls the world, a suicidal possibly corporate stooge, an office consultant at hr that is gay for the trans, I could go on.

So for the game to naturally spell out, this is what's going on, there'd need to be evidence of it, of which we see the complete and total opposite. So it unnaturally introduces the idea out of nowhere, then slaps you in the face for questioning it.

A better answer to your question would come from the devs themselves who've admitted it's an allegory to real world issues and they wanted to make fun of users for not acknowledging it.

So, sorry to dash your hopes, but this game is political left-leaning vitriol that breaks the fourth wall to mock anything that leans slightly to the right of Stalin.
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Kermode Bear 14 Apr, 2019 @ 12:06pm 
I found this line of dialogue problematic, too. It lacks context and information. In the game you don't find women being oppressed, and you come across many women in positions of authority and power. Add to that: In the western world, in general, women are doing just fine.

However, if you throw the middle east into the mix, then you can at least say that oppression does exist which allows you to cut out the third answer. After that it's up to you to decide Yes or No.
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Celbhi 15 Apr, 2019 @ 1:46am 
Just finished the game. Loved it, really made me think and I was totally okay with all the LGBT stuff as it didn't seem too in-your-face most of the time.

But the oppression question was so jarring that I came to the forum to see if there was discussion on it. They could have just included it with the previous question - "Should I allow xenophobia, homophobia and sexism? but they added it separately as an obnoxious trap for people that don't agree with the developer.

The dev's tweet basically said "If you think women aren't oppressed, then you're wrong and either way it makes sense in the game." But the issue is that it totally doesn't make sense in the game. You talk about extreme issues like the free will of humanity, rape and murder, and even can get someone tortured/killed with no repercussion (and Akara describes this as a gift to you!). But not agreeing that women are oppressed is where she completely puts her foot down?? Which is out of character also, as she previously offers factual advice to you but generally accepts your opinion on anything else.

And then there's your point that we don't even know how far this fictional world reflects ours and have no evidence of oppression towards women in the game itself.

It really put a black mark on an otherwise great game. It's a shame because it would have been a really good example of a pro-LGBT game that isn't over the top but it ruins it by letting it's agenda show.
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