Honestly for me my winrate is about as good as alc as any other class, generally the only one that's going to out you as neut explicitly, is the king, odds of observer using one of his 2 peaks on you if you don't make yourself stand out are crazy low, so whisper the king day 1 tell him you are alc, and protecting him whatever he may be. Inqs though... I don't think I've ever seen one lose. Inqs only need to live till like day 3 or so when the sorc inevitably is going to be caught by.

its easy, side with unseen/cult, and kill BDs, only BD's intresting in killing neutrals.

I try to kill anyone who says neuts out, be it if I'm a BD, neut, or evil.
There are lots of useful neutral classes, plus the fool who you don't want to execute.

As Alch I just pm the king that I will heal him, and it's usually good. Other neutral classes have a very hard time.

The "Neuts out" crowd really annoy me. It's like they're saying it to be cool, or something. It's a silly strategy.

The thing is if there's a neutral killer on the loose then losing an alch isn't a big deal. If things swing against bd the alch might become a liability.

What if when sheriffs and kings lookouts are checking people it combines BD, and neut into 1 group, and then you have another ability that maybe you only get 1 use on that verifies BD or neut.

If you're Alchemist you need to stay on the Kings good side. The Alchemist is the Evil Kings best friend so try to make him guard you in exchange for you healing him during the later nights if he is evil.

The neuts out meta started because nuetral killers often posed as alchemists or mercenaries, so its tough to justify keeping neutrals alive until the neutral killer is dead UNLESS the neut is confirmed either through healing or through guarding. It seems lately that if you ARE a real alchemist or real mercenary annoucnce yourself early and prove yourself quickly cause otherwise getting found out later without being confirmed is a liability for bd AND unseen. Remember, the evil people want the NK out just as much as the bd do

Originally posted by cookies:

CAN I JUST SAY.

I really don't think outing neuts is a good strategy.

It's too hard to be inquis/alch because people out you just for existing, not for your actions.

It's ridiculous.

Please balance the game and give neuts a chance.

"NEUTS OUT" IS VERY FRUSTRATING... RAAAGGHHH

just do like me, kill everyone that says neuts out.
i love being neutral king in a game where a person says neuts out.
i vote on them and say "i have leads vote X up"
then just decide fate to kill the person.

Aside from the dumb meme phrase of neuts out. Its not a bad policy lol. I only have an objection if the NK has already been found. If NK hasnt been found yet then kill every neut, idgaf. If NK has been found don't be a ♥♥♥♥

Originally posted by Archmystic:

i love being neutral king in a game where a person says neuts out.
i vote on them and say "i have leads vote X up"
then just decide fate to kill the person.

Would strike me as borderline gamethrowing, unless that person happens to be unseen/cult. (not because you have a stake in BD winning/losing... but you have a stake in yourself staying alive, and you basically guarantee the butler's gunna poison you instantly, or the BD's hanging you tommorow

Originally posted by Vandalay:

Originally posted by Archmystic:

i love being neutral king in a game where a person says neuts out.
i vote on them and say "i have leads vote X up"
then just decide fate to kill the person.

Would strike me as borderline gamethrowing, unless that person happens to be unseen/cult. (not because you have a stake in BD winning/losing... but you have a stake in yourself staying alive, and you basically guarantee the butler's gunna poison you instantly, or the BD's hanging you tommorow

I am not sure, being neutral and not alligned with anyone kinda makes you immune to "game-throwing". For example I have outed myself as neutral king and got killed at night because no knight or phys healed me. It's just a different tactic. If you are an evil king and vote up a confirmed BD (maybe even Prince) and then execute fate him you are also not game throwing although you will die 100% next day.

You are basically just confirming to the court you are neutral by executing a BD. You can also still claim scorned target etc bla bla. Nah, randomly executing a player is not game-throwing as Neutral King now that I spent a couple minutes thinking about it.

You actually have a 35%ish chance to execute a baddy or neutral, not even that bad and when ppl are like WTF you can, like I said, claim scorned target. :D

Originally posted by Jin:

You are basically just confirming to the court you are neutral by executing a BD. You can also still claim scorned target etc bla bla. Nah, randomly executing a player is not game-throwing as Neutral King now that I spent a couple minutes thinking about it.

You actually have a 35%ish chance to execute a baddy or neutral, not even that bad and when ppl are like WTF you can, like I said, claim scorned target. :D

Even as a 1 man side, gamethrowing still has a meaning and is still against the rules. The game is still balanced around people... well doing what they do... IE evil faction are likely going to have a hard time if the NK doesn't try to kill anyone, or the scorned decides not to try to kill his target etc...

So the question is.. does killing a guy entirely based on a grudge help or hurt your odds of surviving to the end of the game. If you ask me, it seems like... based on your own esitmates a 65% chance of killing you. Which is a bit bad for the goal of "survive to the end of the game".

Originally posted by Vandalay:

Originally posted by Jin:

You are basically just confirming to the court you are neutral by executing a BD. You can also still claim scorned target etc bla bla. Nah, randomly executing a player is not game-throwing as Neutral King now that I spent a couple minutes thinking about it.

You actually have a 35%ish chance to execute a baddy or neutral, not even that bad and when ppl are like WTF you can, like I said, claim scorned target. :D

Even as a 1 man side, gamethrowing still has a meaning and is still against the rules. The game is still balanced around people... well doing what they do... IE evil faction are likely going to have a hard time if the NK doesn't try to kill anyone, or the scorned decides not to try to kill his target etc...

So the question is.. does killing a guy entirely based on a grudge help or hurt your odds of surviving to the end of the game. If you ask me, it seems like... based on your own esitmates a 65% chance of killing you. Which is a bit bad for the goal of "survive to the end of the game".

Game-throwing would be an action that gets you killed 100% of the time, which randomly accusing someone as a Neutral King does not. So, no, not game throwing. Just a bad gamble.

It's like wolfing someone randomly, chances are high you hit your own guys, is it game throwing? No, of course not. It's a gamble to get information.

Game throwing would be something like: Hey I am an evil king. As an evil king on Day 1. Later on such claim can be crucial. The line between game-throw and gambling and smart play is very thin. The only real game-throw is literally claiming what you are on Day 1 or 2 and then getting executed and confirmed. Mid/Late game you can decieve people and the truth/lies are all too complex to simply say he threw the game. Making a bad play/gamble is just that.

Originally posted by Jin:

Originally posted by Vandalay:

Even as a 1 man side, gamethrowing still has a meaning and is still against the rules. The game is still balanced around people... well doing what they do... IE evil faction are likely going to have a hard time if the NK doesn't try to kill anyone, or the scorned decides not to try to kill his target etc...

So the question is.. does killing a guy entirely based on a grudge help or hurt your odds of surviving to the end of the game. If you ask me, it seems like... based on your own esitmates a 65% chance of killing you. Which is a bit bad for the goal of "survive to the end of the game".

Game-throwing would be an action that gets you killed 100% of the time, which randomly accusing someone as a Neutral King does not. So, no, not game throwing. Just a bad gamble.

It's like wolfing someone randomly, chances are high you hit your own guys, is it game throwing? No, of course not. It's a gamble to get information.

Game throwing would be something like: Hey I am an evil king. As an evil king on Day 1.

Yes but saying you are an evil king will cause confusion, and therefor not game throwing ^-^
I remember in town of salem i straight up told people I was the godfather, and they all assumed I was the fool/jester XD