I do agree it's an obnoxious meta that people follow, and yeah they intentionally made some weaknesses in it, (evil king, unstoppable reaper. etc...).

That being said I think the lack of a ranked mode (IE the existance of newbies not paying much attention). As a former town of salem player, one thing that is technically valid, the more claims that go public and sooner, the higher the uninformed majority's winrate is. That is however dependent on the vast majority of people paying attention to logs that are posted and calling out impossibilities, and people not doing very newbie plays

Examples of newbie plays
Observer peeking in the first 3 days--- uhh no, the only reason someone would peek in the first 3 days as an observer is if he explicitly wants his logs to not confirm himself. with 2 days worth of logs an observer should be proven, as he should have witnessed several visits to a target, and a competent BD should be able to call that out. Peeking days 1-3 is really silly anyway, in an unseen game on n1, you litterally only can find the assassin, MM is safe, first convert isn't even converted etc... you are equally likely to find anything as you are to be fooled by a frame.


Working in the open.. while a much less fun game, is the optimal game. At least it becomes optimal when you are in a game with 90%+ experienced players. Unseen/cult already know who eachother are... so they've got about a 80% chance of hitting targetting BD (obviously a few neutrals in there), most classes are pretty close to equally valuable, with the exception of the prince, and it's reasonably debatable of the value of secrecy vs people trying to protect you. (Yes reaper can empower, but in secrete evils or even goods may randomly pick you anyway).

Most people I get spammed by just complain to me for not doing the meta. It's like town of Salem I just had a game today with a very stupid mayor. He revealed D1 then the next day used VFR and made the doctor out himself then HUNG the doctor anyway. The example of stuipd players...

Originally posted by MasterGalzraVoid:

Most people I get spammed by just complain to me for not doing the meta. It's like town of Salem I just had a game today with a very stupid mayor. He revealed D1 then the next day used VFR and made the doctor out himself then HUNG the doctor anyway. The example of stuipd players...

again not saying that bad players don't misuse it and do it stupidly... but using town of salem as an example... there's a reason why in town of salem those meta's flourished. quite a few players did the math, and at high ELO everyone outing their roles early boosted towns winrate from 80%ish to 90%ish levels

yes at those levels it gets screwed up really fast if either not all town players co-operate with it... but if everyone understands the strategy and the reason for it, it's so overpowered you might as well give up day 2 if you are evil.

I can agree in general.

That's from a while ago but yea

Don't think it matters, mystic, or prince, or noble, or whoever is next in line will always assume the role of log getter ' claim to me, healer on me' So will removing king actually solve anything?

The only other option is to completely open claim.

Originally posted by Christian2222:

Don't think it matters, mystic, or prince, or noble, or whoever is next in line will always assume the role of log getter ' claim to me, healer on me' So will removing king actually solve anything?

The only other option is to completely open claim.

It's legit not about that. The game is based on social deduction so at least the other classes that get king will probably have information already on people and if you have 10 claims out of 16 players then go ahead and ask the others. The issue is the starting king people ALWAYS claim to them. As a reaper or Mastermind all the people that claimed are outed and clearly the meta doesn't work now but people do it anyway and ruins the point of the game

Originally posted by YaBoyRandy:

thank you MasterGalzraVoid. it DOES ruin the game.

and to mr christian: THOSE ARE NOT THE ONLY TWO OPTIONS TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM.

but thank you so much for the condescension and narrow thinking that exemplifies some reasons why i left the discord (then they banned me months later in a vindictive strike--hahahaha, like im not interested in being there anyway but good job, hope it made you feel better).

devs don't have anything better to input on this topic either. they're lost.

Only thing you really can do is no whispering to king or make it more likely to be an evil king. People will do follow this "meta" that BD lose most of the time with and when I'm king only whisper me if you legitimately have information

Originally posted by YaBoyRandy:

thank you MasterGalzraVoid. it DOES ruin the game.

and to mr christian: THOSE ARE NOT THE ONLY TWO OPTIONS TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM.

but thank you so much for the condescension and narrow thinking that exemplifies some reasons why i left the discord (then they banned me months later in a vindictive strike--hahahaha, like im not interested in being there anyway but good job, hope it made you feel better).

devs don't have anything better to input on this topic either. they're lost.

Narrow minded thinking? ._. I was just breaking down what happens, someone eventually assumes the role of log attainer. You are very out of line sir, I am glad you are banned from discord.

What are the other options? You know I make games right? I'm all about outside of the box game mechanics, new inventions, revolutionizing genre's, non cookie cutter game mechanics, etc. etc. tyvfm.