I agree whole heartedly. There is a world of differance between a bad play and an actual throw. People get salty when they lose and just wanna shout "REPORT FOR THROWING" when another player makes a bad call. Thankfully, the Devs know whats what and won't warn/ban a player for playing poorly. As for plays that are "too good," yeah like you said Disgruntled, people get lucky. Also, maybe a player has a solid lead and goes with it. I've been in a situation where I've been a Good King and I was given a lead on an Unseen d2. There was doubt among the court so, just to be safe, I force exed the lead. Whadda you know it was an Assassin. That same Assassin and the end of the game "reported" me for cheating. Nope no cheats lol, just a gut feeling that turned out true.

so sad that this happens so often

its like you have to make no mistakes or you become a target for a witchhunt

since this has such a bad effect on the community and on the gameplay experience maybe its time that witchunting should be against the rules and punishable

Honestly I'd say if in doubt send a report if something seems fishy. You can put a note in the report saying "I'm not sure but this seems off", give as many specifics so the judges can scan to the exact moment etc...

There's a lot of things the dev's can tell that you can't. IE was it a newbie mistake... I don't know, you don't know... the dev's on the other hand can check and see if the guy's on his 2nd game, or his 500th game.

And if it is a newbie, the dev's also have the ability to send a polite warning.

"Hey when you are voted up, you really have to claim a class" etc... No punishment, but a very clearly official source

Cheating, did he get lucky or is he cheating... again from your perspective totally unknowable... however the dev's can look at not just the game you were in, but any other games he was reported. Now if he's happened to have 5 crazy lucky games in a row.. and all of them when the same guy happens to be on the unseen/cult, you would never know that... but the dev's would, but they would only notice it if those reports were placed.


That being said, I don't think it takes multiple reports to get something shown... so yeah, the smarter thing to do is just report. don't scream, whine and make people feel like crap. Attempt to politely explain why something is wrong... and if in doubt send the report.

Many things can only be known with a larger source size than a single game, and if everyone holds to the "only report if I'm 100% sure" There never will be an appropriate source size.

Originally posted by Vandalay:

Honestly ... and if in doubt send the report.

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The Problem here is, that this creates a "guilty unless proven otherwise" situation.
While they devs can look at whispers etc., how are can they say with any certainty whether a player simply got luck or has a good gut feeling a few times in a row? Similar, if a player is just incompetent, and not gamethrowing? You cannot look in peoples minds, and by nature alarge part of the game is played there and not exclusively by logical deduction.


That aside, I find it kinda funny on how the metadiscussion of this games cheaters is similar to the game itself :D Don't get put up kids!

Originally posted by K98:

Originally posted by Vandalay:

Honestly ... and if in doubt send the report.

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The Problem here is, that this creates a "guilty unless proven otherwise" situation.
While they devs can look at whispers etc., how are can they say with any certainty whether a player simply got luck or has a good gut feeling a few times in a row? Similar, if a player is just incompetent, and not gamethrowing? You cannot look in peoples minds, and by nature alarge part of the game is played there and not exclusively by logical deduction.


That aside, I find it kinda funny on how the metadiscussion of this games cheaters is similar to the game itself :D Don't get put up kids!

Again the players should report on a guilty until proven innocent, the dev's however can then judge that on innocent until proven guilty. If in 10 games, 2 guys join together as a group... and every single time one of them ends up on unseen/cult, the other one magically gets a gut feeling that gives him 100% accuracy of the cult/unseen members of the other. Just one of those games could absolutely be a coincidence, 2 games that fit that pattern in a relatively short time would be highly suspicious... 3+ within a fairly short amount of time would be near certainty.

It takes larger sets of data. One game where someone happens to find 4 scum in a row absolutely happens. that happening 3 times in a batch of 10... not so common, and again the big one that the dev's can judge is "was there a player in common in the scum team every time this person got lucky".

Again the biggest thing is, in order to make an accurate decision, you need a decent data set. No one can prove it within the scope of one game.. it can be proven within a proponderance of the evidence over many games. But if it isn't drawn to the dev's attention... it never will get investigated.


Remember report is asking the dev's to investigate, not asking them to blindly ban off your word alone. Just like there's very different standards of evidence in the real world when we are talking to get a search warrant, arrest and convict.

OP has become my favorite.