Originally posted by Turnop:

The recent meta changes to whispering with MM's new ability has made noble go pretty much instantly from one of the most useful classes to one of the most useless ones. People only claim any significant role to PM'd mystics, which makes Court Spy nearless useless - and Gossip is hands down the weakest investigative ability in the game that'll only catch people with massive glaring gaps in their story (when you're lucky, and they've outed their logs). He's really bad, hands down weakest BD class in current meta.

I would argue that Nobles never were strong, but an experienced player could at least start deducing from the claims and aim his / her gossips accordingly. Now, yeah. It's way worse. Actually, I'd rather be CW or Phys than Noble currently. Which is a shame.. I loved beeing Noble.

People will still whisper eventually, don't waste your spy up n1 and 2 until its confirmed not an unseen game, or save for n3 4

maybe noble should have more charges to his ability

agreed , noble = ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ useless

well try to see it positively - it doesn't really matter if you get killed at night or falsely executed by your BD fellows (aka less stress). And if you're really doing well/are lucky, the better. Nothing to lose here.

For that matter king is useless.

Originally posted by Christian2222:

For that matter king is useless.

no for now king has the broken removed for darn good reason allies again... So he's if anything OP (a sheriff that can prove he's 100% not scorned/fool, and in a position that it would almost universally be better to bus a teammate than give himself away as evil king, so if he calls you out you have a 0% chance of fighting that).

They've put someone new in charge of balance... guess how she deals with the current scenario will tell us how it's going to wind up.

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