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Felix 2015 年 12 月 9 日 上午 11:22
News - Security and Trading; Why the 15 Day Wait
https://steamhost.cn/news/19618/




Recently we've seen the community have a good discussion about the pros and cons of trade holds. We thought we'd walk through how we decided to implement them, in the hopes that it helps you understand why they're absolutely necessary.


Compromised accounts and item theft

Account theft has been around since Steam began, but with the introduction of Steam Trading, the problem has increased twenty-fold as the number one complaint from our users. Having your account stolen, and your items traded away, is a terrible experience, and we hated that it was becoming more common for our customers.

Once an account was compromised, the items would be quickly cleaned out. They'd then be traded again and again, eventually being sold to an innocent user. Looking at their account activity, it wasn't too hard to figure out what happened, but undoing it was harder because we don't want to take things away from innocent users. We decided to err on the side of protecting them: we left the stolen goods, and we created duplicates on the original compromised account to replace them. We were fully aware of the tradeoff here. Duplicating the stolen items devalues all the other equivalent items in the economy. This might be fairly minor for common items, but for rare items this had the potential to significantly increase the number in existence.


The number of hijacked accounts continues to grow

This was an unacceptable status quo and we needed to address it. In revisiting our strategy to stop it, we found two things of note.

First, enough money now moves around the system that stealing virtual Steam goods has become a real business for skilled hackers. Second, practically every active Steam account is now involved in the economy, via items or trading cards, with enough value to be worth a hacker's time. Essentially all Steam accounts are now targets.

The "I got hacked" story is told so frequently it's become commonplace. And that makes it easy to forget its significance; compromised security of email accounts and PCs, Steam account violation, and theft. We used to hold the opinion that if you were smart about account security, you'd be protected--it's easy to assume that users whose accounts were stolen were new or technically naïve users who must be sharing their passwords or clicking on suspicious links. That's simply not the case.

What used to be a handful of hackers is now a highly effective, organized network, in the business of stealing and selling items. It would be easier for them to go after the users who don't understand how to stay secure online, but the prevalence of items make it worthwhile to target everyone. We see around 77,000 accounts hijacked and pillaged each month. These are not new or naïve users; these are professional CS:GO players, reddit contributors, item traders, etc. Users can be targeted randomly as part of a larger group or even individually. Hackers can wait months for a payoff, all the while relentlessly attempting to gain access. It's a losing battle to protect your items against someone who steals them for a living.

We can help users who've been hacked by restoring their accounts and items, but that doesn't deter the business of hacking accounts. It's only getting worse.



How we can stop it

We've worked to improve account security features, closed loopholes, improved how and when we message users that their account is at risk, added self-locking, and created the Steam Guard Mobile Authenticator (two-factor authentication).

Two-factor authorization is the use of a separate device to confirm your identity. The security of this system is based on moving that step from your PC to a device a hacker can't access, such as your smartphone. PCs can be easily compromised, therefore a PC-based authenticator would not provide better security than a password or email authentication.

We needed to create our own two-factor authenticator because we need to show users the contents of the trade on a separate device and have them confirm it there. Requiring users to take a code from a generic authenticator and enter it into a hijacked PC to confirm a trade meant that hackers could trick them into trading away items they didn't intend to. This basically made it impossible to use a generic third party authenticator, such as Google Authenticator, to confirm trades.



Here's the tradeoff

At this time, most people have not protected their account with this increased level of security. Many don't believe that they are actually a worthwhile target for a hacker who's out to make money. Some felt they were smart enough about security to not need two-factor authorization. And other users knew they needed it, but couldn't use it due to reasons beyond their control, like not having access to a mobile phone.

So what if instead of trying to prevent hackers from being able to steal a Steam account that hasn't enabled two-factor authentication, we tried removing their ability to profit from the theft. If hackers couldn't move the stolen goods off the hacked account, then they couldn't sell them for real money, and that would remove the primary incentive to steal the account. Hackers fundamentally rely on trading to offload stolen goods. The Steam Community Market doesn't work well for that purpose, because purchases can't be moved around as quickly (purchased items can't be traded for 7 days), and they can't ensure the items move to an account they control.

One option proposed was to simply remove trading. The Steam Market already accounted for the vast majority of virtual goods exchanged by Steam users. We even generate revenue off those transactions, which helps cover the cost of fraud, unlike person-to-person trades. And removing trading was by far the easiest solution to implement. But we felt that was a bad choice for users. Another easy choice would have been to require two-factor authentication for trading, but that's bad for the same reasons as removing it entirely. It's important that you can give a friend a TF2 weapon when he comes to try out the game, or give a friend the last trading card she needs to craft a game badge.

We felt that two-factor authentication was secure enough that it would protect anyone who enabled it, so the problem was the accounts that couldn't enable it (e.g. no mobile phone access). In the end, we arrived at the changes we're deploying today:

  • Anyone losing items in a trade will need to have a Steam Guard Mobile Authenticator enabled on their account for at least 7 days and have trade confirmations turned on. Otherwise, items will be held by Steam for up to 15 days before delivery.

  • If you've been friends for at least 1 year, items will be held by Steam for up to 1 day before delivery.

  • Accounts with a Mobile Authenticator enabled for at least 7 days are no longer restricted from trading or using the Market when using a new device since trades on the new device will be protected by the Mobile Authenticator.


This means that anyone using the Steam Guard Mobile Authenticator to confirm trades is able to continue trading as always. Users who haven't enabled it, or can't, can still trade, but they'll have to wait up to 3 days for the trade to go through. This gives both Steam and users the time to discover their accounts have been hacked and recover it before the hackers can steal their items.


A difficult balance

Once again, we're fully aware that this is a tradeoff with the potential for a large impact on trading. Any time we put security steps in between user actions and their desired results, we're making it more difficult to use our products. Unfortunately, this is one of those times where we feel like we're forced to insert a step or shut it all down. Asking users to enter a password to log into their account isn't something we spend much time thinking about today, but it's much the same principle - a security cost we pay to ensure the system is able to function. We've done our best to make the cost as small as possible, for as few people as possible, while still retaining its effectiveness.

Hopefully this post has given you some insight into the problem, and why we've taken this approach. As always, we'll continue to read the community's discussions throughout the Steam forums and the web at large, and we look forward to hearing your thoughts.
最後修改者:Felix; 2016 年 3 月 11 日 上午 7:08
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Tomsawyer 2015 年 12 月 9 日 上午 11:54 
After reading this, [even though I do not own a smartphone] I feel a lot better about the 3 day wait.
Kaiga 2015 年 12 月 9 日 上午 11:57 
So you get treated like a second-class user and a scammer for not owning a smartphone, despite email/steamguard auth, years of account reputation, and steam level loyalty?

I see how it is.

Edit: 28,000 people disagree- http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/steam-escrow-petition
最後修改者:Kaiga; 2015 年 12 月 9 日 下午 4:00
Satoru 2015 年 12 月 9 日 上午 11:58 
So you get treated like a second-class user and a scammer for not owning a smartphone, despite email/steamguard auth, years of account reputation, and steam level loyalty?

I see how it is.

I'd be nice if you actually READ the post and the reasoning instead of making up rediculous straw men
Kaiga 2015 年 12 月 9 日 下午 12:06 
引用自 Satoru
So you get treated like a second-class user and a scammer for not owning a smartphone, despite email/steamguard auth, years of account reputation, and steam level loyalty?

I see how it is.

I'd be nice if you actually READ the post and the reasoning instead of making up rediculous straw men

*Sigh* At least spell ridiculous correctly.

It seems as though you're the one who hasn't read beyond the post. If you're unable to field a new device for the additional auth factoring, you get hit with the sanctions for even something as trivial as trading a measly in-game weapon away, if the person hasn't been your friend for a year. And even if they have been, it for some reason takes a day.

For anyone who doesn't understand the extent of these changes, here's a writeup.

"Hey bill, can i borrow your common/civillian grade DOTA 2/TF2 item? I'll give it right back, i just want to see how it looks with this new item they added, should only take maybe 10 seconds."

"Sure mike, i'd love to, but post-Escrow this will now take 24 hours to do, even though we've been friends for 5 years, have three levels of authentication and confirmation each, and the items themselves are completely worthless, and that's time i don't have."


That big explanation about the extent of scamming in the steam community is nice, because we see valve recognizing it, but large-scale trading in all of these games revolves around trading with people you've not been friends with.

Valve is right, this normally won't hurt the average joe too much who only trades with his trusted friends and can wait a day. But, they're forgetting about the community as a whole.

CSGO lounge. TF2 Outpost. Trade.tf. All these places are what back the in-game economies that make valve so much money, and they're all going to be taking a hit from this. Even if you have the additional auth, there's no guarentee that the thousands of other people will, making them a liability.

The other thing worth pointing out, is that the majority of item sales that we see traded on the market are crate keys, one of the biggest profit sources for any of these games with in game economies.

People buy these keys to trade, as they're in-game representations of monetary value, with little other purpose once the items they uncrate become common enough and worth less than the value of the key needed to obtain them.

What motivation will people have to trade, and therefore buy these items, now that there's a 3 or potentially 7 day wait on everything? Deals will pass people by, traders will run the risk of being cancelled on, and have to screen people for proper authentication before trading?

What do you think that's going to do to the value of these items, and the amount that are sold on the market and from the stores? This will represent a direct loss of revenue from these games for valve, and do you think they'd want to put time and effort into games that aren't turning them less profit?

TL;DR: This does hackers have already found a way around this (Multiple threads on r/tf2), all this is doing is hindering everyday users for not much extra security, and discriminating against ones without a second factor for authentication.
最後修改者:Kaiga; 2015 年 12 月 9 日 下午 3:58
Christiann 2015 年 12 月 9 日 下午 12:07 
So if we have the mobile app we don't get the 7 days market and trade restrictions anymore?
Finally something good. :tyger:
BarncatAUD 2015 年 12 月 9 日 下午 1:14 
I get that Valve is trying to fix scams and hacks. Everyone gets that.

But here's the major problem; The hijackers will find a work-around. How many security measures has Valve implemented and how long did they last before the hijackers found a work around and went on with their usual business? How's this one different? Becaue Valve took far too drastic precautions?

When the hijackers inevitably bypass this, we'll still have an absolutely dreadful customer service, a flat-out punishment for all new users and users without a smartphone, and we'll have a hacked phone on top of a hacked computer.

(And by the way, the fact that completely removing trade from Steam was even considered shows how very little Valve cares about the community. I can safely say that this corporation will never get another cent from me.)
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AllLuckNoSkill 2015 年 12 月 9 日 下午 1:14 
??????????
I just waited a week for an item to be tradeable, then today I was about to trade then this stupid trade hold came.
I hate this new steam mobile system its killing me. Can I disable it and still be able to half the stuff I used to?
Pheace 2015 年 12 月 9 日 下午 1:20 
77000 accounts hijacked every month, holy...

Kaiga 2015 年 12 月 9 日 下午 1:23 
引用自 Pheace
77000 accounts hijacked every month, holy...
As big of a problem as this is, you have to admit, that's a testament to how gullible users are, as the numbers really wouldn't be this big without some kind of stupidity involved.
最後修改者:Kaiga; 2015 年 12 月 9 日 下午 2:59
Steam Escrow Day will end or nah? -thanks for reply
shadowshiv 2015 年 12 月 9 日 下午 2:06 
引用自 Pheace
77000 accounts hijacked every month, holy...
As big of a problem as this is, you have to admit, that's a testament to how gullible users are, as the numbers really wouldn't be thing big without some kind of stupidity involved.

So basically the users that actually know better are punished due to the stupidity of people that SHOULD know better. Nice. It also means that I can't even trade my coupons now.

I don't own a cellphone. I am not going to buy a cellphone just for this. Getting punished for this is not fair at all.
Gotta Go Fast BOI 2015 年 12 月 9 日 下午 2:11 
yeh so i canceled all my offers today and now 've a trade ban ( cannot trade people nor make trade offers) but the ban isn't showing anywhere: the screen is showing this:You cannot trade with 7 because you recently had all your trade offers canceled. is this also an update bug? or do you have to have a mobileauth-account of atleast 7 days (mine is now 6 days mobileauth)
aiusepsi 2015 年 12 月 9 日 下午 2:16 
引用自 James Baxter
I get that Valve is trying to fix scams and hacks. Everyone gets that.

But here's the major problem; The hijackers will find a work-around.
That's not the major problem. The major problem is that 77000 accounts a month are getting hijacked, and it's getting worse. That just can't go on.

I get that a trading hold is annoying, but getting your account hijacked is way worse. I know what not caring about the community looks like, and it'd be not lifting a finger to attempt to do more to prevent account hijacking on that scale.

If you have any bright ideas to reduce the number of hijackings that don't involve restrictions on trade, I'm sure everyone would be glad to hear them.
最後修改者:aiusepsi; 2015 年 12 月 9 日 下午 2:18
aiusepsi 2015 年 12 月 9 日 下午 2:18 
引用自 shadowshiv
So basically the users that actually know better are punished due to the stupidity of people that SHOULD know better. Nice. It also means that I can't even trade my coupons now.
To quote from the original Valve post in the first post of this thread:

We used to hold the opinion that if you were smart about account security, you'd be protected--it's easy to assume that users whose accounts were stolen were new or technically naïve users who must be sharing their passwords or clicking on suspicious links. That's simply not the case.
shadowshiv 2015 年 12 月 9 日 下午 2:18 
引用自 aiusepsi
引用自 James Baxter
I get that Valve is trying to fix scams and hacks. Everyone gets that.

But here's the major problem; The hijackers will find a work-around.
That's not the major problem. The major problem is that 77000 accounts a month are getting hijacked, and it's getting worse. That just can't go on.

I get a trading hold is annoying, but getting your account hijacked is way worse. I know what not caring about the community looks like, and it'd be not lifting a finger to attempt to do more to prevent account hijacking on that scale.

If you have any bright ideas to reduce the number of hijackings that don't involve restrictions on trade, I'm sure everyone would be glad to hear them.

People could actually think about clicking on suspicious links before they actually do. Greed and stupidity are the reasons for the vast majority of the hijackings. Unfortunately, you can't fix that. You can only coddle it to protect them from themselves.
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