Originally posted by Rumpelcrutchskin:

What needs to happen is game developers and developing studios who have been economically destroyed by this hater group need to collectively sue their asses off for it.

Originally posted by WolfEisberg:

Originally posted by Rumpelcrutchskin:

What needs to happen is game developers and developing studios who have been economically destroyed by this hater group need to collectively sue their asses off for it.

There would be no grounds to sue Collective Shout because the only thing that Collective Shout actually did is simply report the rule breaking content.

Originally posted by darksquallleon:

Depends with paypal they wanted to obtain numbers and emails of some that worked there the ceo included

Originally posted by Tito Shivan:

Originally posted by darksquallleon:

Depends with paypal they wanted to obtain numbers and emails of some that worked there the ceo included

Wanting to do something and doing it are different things.

Originally posted by WolfEisberg:

Originally posted by Rumpelcrutchskin:

What needs to happen is game developers and developing studios who have been economically destroyed by this hater group need to collectively sue their asses off for it.

There would be no grounds to sue Collective Shout because the only thing that Collective Shout actually did is simply report the rule breaking content.

Originally posted by Caduryn:

Originally posted by WolfEisberg:

There would be no grounds to sue Collective Shout because the only thing that Collective Shout actually did is simply report the rule breaking content.

They are now after People playing Games to get them arrested.... because playing Games where you can kill Womans...

Originally posted by Crashed:

The fact a phishing bot has been in this thread for over an hour suggests moderators aren't even on this thread.

Originally posted by Crashed:

The fact a phishing bot has been in this thread for over an hour suggests moderators aren't even on this thread.

Originally posted by Crashed:

The fact a phishing bot has been in this thread for over an hour suggests moderators aren't even on this thread.

Originally posted by ☭🐾Josesk Volpe🐾☭:

Collective Shout's censorship campaign: Gamers' and other communities' mistakes

While fighting Collective Shout's censorship campaign, there are 3 major mistakes in my opinion are being made. Let me made some self-criticism on our communities so we can improve on these. Hope it helps:

1 - Repeating that "fiction is not reality." This not only misses the point of Collective Shout's argument, it's wrong. They're right that characters and actions in a video game don't affect anyone because they're not being played out in real life, but fiction is a distorted mirror of reality. What's depicted in art is inspired by things that happen in real life, and this is no different with pornography containing obscene and violent elements. If the community understands this, it can create better arguments. Understand: censoring art simply means hiding the fact that something exists and happens; you erase a form of expression and denunciation.
But the biggest mistake is that this misses the point of Collective Shout, which is saying that these games, books, cartoons, etc. normalize and glorify abuse and violence. The second argument stems solely from the view that such things are wrong, and is therefore merely a moralistic argument. The first is misguided because "normalizing" assumes that people will learn that such situations are okay, but it ignores the context in which these arts are displayed and enjoyed, the classification and concealment of these arts due to their obscene content, as well as their audience, and the environment and situation in which they are consumed and produced. These are crucial factors in determining where normalization occurs. If simply liking such content normalizes it, then the argument relies on the same old notion that people will repeat what they see—the "video games promote violence" notion, which has already been refuted. It's a notion that infantilizes adults, as if adults couldn't understand and hadn't already developed a sense of right and wrong.

If the community doesn't address the issue at hand and continues to push into a blind spot, Collective Shout will appear much more reasonable in its arguments and will win. The community needs to stop being so defensive about artistic consumerism.

2 - Pointing out that Collective Shout supported the Cuties series. This is good for pointing out the hypocrisy of this group, but it plays into the same moral panic technique and will backfire on the community. I don't think the community can continue to do so.

3 - The silencing of minorities and survivors of sexual abuse within the community itself. This is the second most important factor. Those who are victims of abuse are very afraid to talk about their abuse for general reasons, and those who are minorities are also afraid because of their own community or ideology. The gaming community in particular insists to be very much against "woke culture" and is deeply repulsed when someone comes up and says, "I'm a Black lesbian woman." State your identities and talk about the abuse you've suffered. There are many survivors of abuse, LGBT people, women, and other minorities in this field of pornography, many indeed. Groups like Collective Shout capitalize on this silence. It's no wonder the group is playing the victim, claiming they're being threatened and that people are saying they should be raped. This has a strong propaganda motive: It paints the community as a group of violent, potentially abusive, straight white men. This is tactical. Only by exposing the great diversity in the community will it be possible to dismantle this victim-centered hypocrisy of this group. You need to explain what minority you are and why you, who have survived abuse, enjoy and need fictional art featuring rape, incest, abuse, etc. as part of your therapy.


These points are dependent. Specially 3) and 1). By improving on 3) we'll be able to point out why "normalization" is not a thing here.
Please note these are my opinions and there may be better points about it.

Originally posted by TheStoryteller01:

Originally posted by ☭🐾Josesk Volpe🐾☭:

Collective Shout's censorship campaign: Gamers' and other communities' mistakes

While fighting Collective Shout's censorship campaign, there are 3 major mistakes in my opinion are being made. Let me made some self-criticism on our communities so we can improve on these. Hope it helps:

1 - Repeating that "fiction is not reality." This not only misses the point of Collective Shout's argument, it's wrong. They're right that characters and actions in a video game don't affect anyone because they're not being played out in real life, but fiction is a distorted mirror of reality. What's depicted in art is inspired by things that happen in real life, and this is no different with pornography containing obscene and violent elements. If the community understands this, it can create better arguments. Understand: censoring art simply means hiding the fact that something exists and happens; you erase a form of expression and denunciation.
But the biggest mistake is that this misses the point of Collective Shout, which is saying that these games, books, cartoons, etc. normalize and glorify abuse and violence. The second argument stems solely from the view that such things are wrong, and is therefore merely a moralistic argument. The first is misguided because "normalizing" assumes that people will learn that such situations are okay, but it ignores the context in which these arts are displayed and enjoyed, the classification and concealment of these arts due to their obscene content, as well as their audience, and the environment and situation in which they are consumed and produced. These are crucial factors in determining where normalization occurs. If simply liking such content normalizes it, then the argument relies on the same old notion that people will repeat what they see—the "video games promote violence" notion, which has already been refuted. It's a notion that infantilizes adults, as if adults couldn't understand and hadn't already developed a sense of right and wrong.

If the community doesn't address the issue at hand and continues to push into a blind spot, Collective Shout will appear much more reasonable in its arguments and will win. The community needs to stop being so defensive about artistic consumerism.

2 - Pointing out that Collective Shout supported the Cuties series. This is good for pointing out the hypocrisy of this group, but it plays into the same moral panic technique and will backfire on the community. I don't think the community can continue to do so.

3 - The silencing of minorities and survivors of sexual abuse within the community itself. This is the second most important factor. Those who are victims of abuse are very afraid to talk about their abuse for general reasons, and those who are minorities are also afraid because of their own community or ideology. The gaming community in particular insists to be very much against "woke culture" and is deeply repulsed when someone comes up and says, "I'm a Black lesbian woman." State your identities and talk about the abuse you've suffered. There are many survivors of abuse, LGBT people, women, and other minorities in this field of pornography, many indeed. Groups like Collective Shout capitalize on this silence. It's no wonder the group is playing the victim, claiming they're being threatened and that people are saying they should be raped. This has a strong propaganda motive: It paints the community as a group of violent, potentially abusive, straight white men. This is tactical. Only by exposing the great diversity in the community will it be possible to dismantle this victim-centered hypocrisy of this group. You need to explain what minority you are and why you, who have survived abuse, enjoy and need fictional art featuring rape, incest, abuse, etc. as part of your therapy.


These points are dependent. Specially 3) and 1). By improving on 3) we'll be able to point out why "normalization" is not a thing here.
Please note these are my opinions and there may be better points about it.

Phew, you really got me there.

I just can NOT decide if i have to block you.

Baiters usually get blocked instantly.

BUT you made quite an effort to bring your point (or bait?) across so maybe you are no baiter.

BUT your text does suspiciously look like AI generated, which is usually an instant block either.

I'll make it dependend on your further engagement in your own thread, If an OP doesn't he's one of those "fire and forget" posters, proving thats it actually IS all about bating.

Originally posted by Caduryn:

Originally posted by TheStoryteller01:

Phew, you really got me there.

I just can NOT decide if i have to block you.

Baiters usually get blocked instantly.

BUT you made quite an effort to bring your point (or bait?) across so maybe you are no baiter.

BUT your text does suspiciously look like AI generated, which is usually an instant block either.

I'll make it dependend on your further engagement in your own thread, If an OP doesn't he's one of those "fire and forget" posters, proving thats it actually IS all about bating.

Are you pro banning EVERY Game ever made?