Oprindeligt skrevet af Xocoo:

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Who the f*ck asked for this feature? why is this still a thing? at least give me a way to bypass it ffs.

The feature isn't for you, it's for Valve.

No.

How dare they have a security feature to prevent fraud and other malicious acts!

Oprindeligt skrevet af Xocoo:

Who the f*ck asked for this feature? why is this still a thing? at least give me a way to bypass it ffs.

Why don't you ask Valve if they will allow users to bypass the restriction on the condition that if the purchaser used fraudulent funds for the transaction, the seller will not be entitled to any money, their items back or any proceeds, including games and items bought with the contaminated funds, if a rollback has to occur?

I'm sure you'd rather wait 24-48 hours for guaranteed funds than live in limbo for days, weeks and even months to find out the the initial transaction was fraudulent and everything has to be reversed.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Xocoo:

Who the f*ck asked for this feature? why is this still a thing? at least give me a way to bypass it ffs.

I been screaming this for years now and all u get is paid bot responses defending them

Oprindeligt skrevet af Lone Wolf:

How dare they have a security feature to prevent fraud and other malicious acts!

It doesn't prevent any of that. Even if someone breaches your account and starts a transaction, and you see it pending, you do not have anyway to reverse the transaction yourself, or even reverse it with supports help.

So it has all the downsides of a security feature without any of the actual, you know, security.

Oprindeligt skrevet af D. Flame:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Lone Wolf:

How dare they have a security feature to prevent fraud and other malicious acts!

It doesn't prevent any of that. Even if someone breaches your account and starts a transaction, and you see it pending, you do not have anyway to reverse the transaction yourself, or even reverse it with supports help.

So it has all the downsides of a security feature without any of the actual, you know, security.

It's nothing to do with that. It's to ensure that the funds that the buyer of your item is using are clean, so Valve don't have to be out of pocket, or the user loses their proceeds if a future rollback occurs when a dispute is raised by the victim of the fraud.

Scammers use cloned or stolen credit cards to quick-buy high value items on the market. When the cardholder raises a dispute, Valve either had to pay out of their own pockets OR everything had to be reversed. So if a seller receives $500 in funds that were fraudulent and they went on to buy items and games with their money, everything eventually had to be rolled-back leaving users and even developers out of pocket.

This is nothing to do with breaching accounts.

Oprindeligt skrevet af jerk store:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Xocoo:

Who the f*ck asked for this feature? why is this still a thing? at least give me a way to bypass it ffs.

I been screaming this for years now and all u get is paid :valve: bot responses defending them

Ah yes. Everybody that actually understand how ♥♥♥♥ works is a paid bot. A classic.

Oprindeligt skrevet af D. Flame:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Lone Wolf:

How dare they have a security feature to prevent fraud and other malicious acts!

It doesn't prevent any of that. Even if someone breaches your account and starts a transaction, and you see it pending, you do not have anyway to reverse the transaction yourself, or even reverse it with supports help.

So it has all the downsides of a security feature without any of the actual, you know, security.

Exactly, that's what all the paid bots have pushed the excuse of security for every change they've made, the week long wait, the 2 day wait, the 3 hour wait for trading card drops if you refund a game, security security security! I say the changes were made for profit profit profit! Where's the proof of this security stuff even being real? And where is the proof these changes weren't made so they make more money and we make less? You want answers? No support number to call or real person to complain to...they are playing God here and all we get are their paid discussion bots blindly defending them and posting no real proof of the real reason these changes were made. Eventually the bubble will burst i don't care how much they pay all the lawyers and discussion drone bots defending them.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Thermal Lance:

Oprindeligt skrevet af jerk store:

I been screaming this for years now and all u get is paid bot responses defending them

Ah yes. Everybody that actually understand how ♥♥♥♥ works is a paid bot. A classic.

Why do they disappear and never answer if they are paid or not when I ask them then....We have to come to our own explanations here if nobody ever tells you the truth. And to be more clear, I think most of them are real people they just act like paid bots blindly defending everything does.

Oprindeligt skrevet af J4MESOX4D:

Scammers use cloned or stolen credit cards to quick-buy high value items on the market. When the cardholder raises a dispute...

Depending on how fast the card holder sees the unauthorized charge they could file a dispute for longer then 2 days with their bank which issued the cc.

So valve would need to increase the hold time to 60 days if that would be the cause.....

Oprindeligt skrevet af J4MESOX4D:

Oprindeligt skrevet af D. Flame:

It doesn't prevent any of that. Even if someone breaches your account and starts a transaction, and you see it pending, you do not have anyway to reverse the transaction yourself, or even reverse it with supports help.

So it has all the downsides of a security feature without any of the actual, you know, security.

It's nothing to do with that. It's to ensure that the funds that the buyer of your item is using are clean, so Valve don't have to be out of pocket, or the user loses their proceeds if a future rollback occurs when a dispute is raised by the victim of the fraud.

Scammers use cloned or stolen credit cards to quick-buy high value items on the market. When the cardholder raises a dispute, Valve either had to pay out of their own pockets OR everything had to be reversed. So if a seller receives $500 in funds that were fraudulent and they went on to buy items and games with their money, everything eventually had to be rolled-back leaving users and even developers out of pocket.

This is nothing to do with breaching accounts.

Then stop pretending that this is for the security of the users, and just say that it is to protect Steam's profits.

Oprindeligt skrevet af J4MESOX4D:

Oprindeligt skrevet af D. Flame:

It doesn't prevent any of that. Even if someone breaches your account and starts a transaction, and you see it pending, you do not have anyway to reverse the transaction yourself, or even reverse it with supports help.

So it has all the downsides of a security feature without any of the actual, you know, security.

It's nothing to do with that. It's to ensure that the funds that the buyer of your item is using are clean, so Valve don't have to be out of pocket, or the user loses their proceeds if a future rollback occurs when a dispute is raised by the victim of the fraud.

Scammers use cloned or stolen credit cards to quick-buy high value items on the market. When the cardholder raises a dispute, Valve either had to pay out of their own pockets OR everything had to be reversed. So if a seller receives $500 in funds that were fraudulent and they went on to buy items and games with their money, everything eventually had to be rolled-back leaving users and even developers out of pocket.

This is nothing to do with breaching accounts.

Where's the proof of this security you talk about? Where is the proof these changes weren't made so they make more money and we make less? I'll be waiting awhile here

Oprindeligt skrevet af D. Flame:

Oprindeligt skrevet af J4MESOX4D:

It's nothing to do with that. It's to ensure that the funds that the buyer of your item is using are clean, so Valve don't have to be out of pocket, or the user loses their proceeds if a future rollback occurs when a dispute is raised by the victim of the fraud.

Scammers use cloned or stolen credit cards to quick-buy high value items on the market. When the cardholder raises a dispute, Valve either had to pay out of their own pockets OR everything had to be reversed. So if a seller receives $500 in funds that were fraudulent and they went on to buy items and games with their money, everything eventually had to be rolled-back leaving users and even developers out of pocket.

This is nothing to do with breaching accounts.

Then stop pretending that this is for the security of the users, and just say that it is to protect Steam's profits.

Exactly what is going on here and I am sick of it and anyone who uses the market a lot should be sick of it too...It is morally wrong what has been going on in the name of profits here for too long. It's always the same users who defend them on all these posts which shows they are paying people to defend them, or at the very least giving kickbacks to them in some way.

Oprindeligt skrevet af jerk store:

Where's the proof of this security you talk about? Where is the proof these changes weren't made so they make more money and we make less? I'll be waiting awhile here

How would Valve make more money and you less by holding virtual funds?

Oprindeligt skrevet af Wolfpig:

Oprindeligt skrevet af jerk store:

Where's the proof of this security you talk about? Where is the proof these changes weren't made so they make more money and we make less? I'll be waiting awhile here

How would Valve make more money and you less by holding virtual funds?

Impatient/addicted to items people add more and more wallet while they wait the 1-2 days, they obviously studied this before the change and got their lawyers to say it was legal to make the change. So that is how they make more money, if people actually got their funds from market transactions like they should've, they wouldn't be forced to add more and more while they wait. Understand?