Not a steam problem. Nor will they get involved.

Read the Big Blue Warning Box that is on all EA games in the store page. It is simple.

You buy the game for what it is, not for the promises. Promises are not a binding commitment, if you treat it like that, the onus is entirely on you.

Originally posted by Leckaine:

Early Access games should have a limit on how long they stay up without update

No. If you cannot understand the Early Access blue box warning, that is a you problem.

Originally posted by pckirk:

Not a steam problem. Nor will they get involved.

Read the Big Blue Warning Box that is on all EA games in the store page. It is simple.

So this platform is essentialy now used to scam people?

Ok. I get it. Hide behind a EULA and warnings and as long as you produce just enough game to make it somewhat playable, you do not have to do anything after that for the monies recieve.

So essentially it is this. Fool steam into accepting your trash and once that is done all you have to do is nothing. You can hide behind the warning. Both Steam and the dev's if you want to call them that, win.

So now Steam is so big they do not even care about the reputation damage this practice causes.

Originally posted by Dura_Ace:

Originally posted by pckirk:

Not a steam problem. Nor will they get involved.

Read the Big Blue Warning Box that is on all EA games in the store page. It is simple.

So this platform is essentialy now used to scam people?

Ok. I get it. Hide behind a EULA and warnings and as long as you produce just enough game to make it somewhat playable, you do not have to do anything after that for the monies recieve.

So essentially it is this. Fool steam into accepting your trash and once that is done all you have to do is nothing. You can hide behind the warning. Both Steam and the dev's if you want to call them that, win.

So now Steam is so big they do not even care about the reputation damage this practice causes.

No, that's not true at all. "Scam" games exist irrelevant of Early Access, people haven't paid attention if they think otherwise.

But I get it, hyperbole works good, eh.

Originally posted by Dura_Ace:

Originally posted by pckirk:

Not a steam problem. Nor will they get involved.

Read the Big Blue Warning Box that is on all EA games in the store page. It is simple.

So this platform is essentialy now used to scam people?

Ok. I get it. Hide behind a EULA and warnings and as long as you produce just enough game to make it somewhat playable, you do not have to do anything after that for the monies recieve.

So essentially it is this. Fool steam into accepting your trash and once that is done all you have to do is nothing. You can hide behind the warning. Both Steam and the dev's if you want to call them that, win.

So now Steam is so big they do not even care about the reputation damage this practice causes.

Caveat emptor. You're the one who presses the buy button, you're the one who willingly chooses to make that purchase. If you cannot accept responsibility for the purchases you make, then perhaps you should not handle money in the first place.

Originally posted by Dura_Ace:

So essentially it is this. Fool steam into accepting your trash and once that is done all you have to do is nothing. You can hide behind the warning. Both Steam and the dev's if you want to call them that, win.

You know....those people just could release a game without it being early access and move on.
The result would be the same.

'Promises' are often false expectations and what punishments would be issued for a project that may have zero income? It would just encourage developers to put out fake updates to swerve ramifications.

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

Originally posted by Dura_Ace:

So this platform is essentialy now used to scam people?

Ok. I get it. Hide behind a EULA and warnings and as long as you produce just enough game to make it somewhat playable, you do not have to do anything after that for the monies recieve.

So essentially it is this. Fool steam into accepting your trash and once that is done all you have to do is nothing. You can hide behind the warning. Both Steam and the dev's if you want to call them that, win.

So now Steam is so big they do not even care about the reputation damage this practice causes.

No, that's not true at all. "Scam" games exist irrelevant of Early Access, people haven't paid attention if they think otherwise.

But I get it, hyperbole works good, eh.

You think spelling it out as it truly is, is hperbole?

What i wrote is the state of EA. As long as you get into the Steam EA game program and are listed you do not have to do anything else as the EA warning takes care of everything.

Caveat emptor. Yes. Beware, of course. I dont buy EA as a general rule for those reasons lsited above. I want complete games to buy and i am not here to "support" devs. You want to make money making a game? Cool. Release the game. Dont release half of one and then decide that is enough since you are still getting money after three years.

The point of this thread was that games are on Steam that have been in EA for years with no updates but are still being sold. Incomplete projects.

It does not surprise me that a platform that spits out a dozen games a day has this policy when they are getting a rather large cut of the money.

Originally posted by J4MESOX4D:

'Promises' are often false expectations and what punishments would be issued for a project that may have zero income? It would just encourage developers to put out fake updates to swerve ramifications.

I already said what, at the very minimum remove the early access category from the game. There should literally be zero reason for a game to be years in the early access category despite there not being an update nor even "news" update about it for more than 3 years.

Originally posted by Leckaine:

Originally posted by J4MESOX4D:

'Promises' are often false expectations and what punishments would be issued for a project that may have zero income? It would just encourage developers to put out fake updates to swerve ramifications.

I already said what, at the very minimum remove the early access category from the game. There should literally be zero reason for a game to be years in the early access category despite there not being an update nor even "news" update about it for more than 3 years.

I agree. They are abandonware at that point

Originally posted by Leckaine:

Originally posted by J4MESOX4D:

'Promises' are often false expectations and what punishments would be issued for a project that may have zero income? It would just encourage developers to put out fake updates to swerve ramifications.

I already said what, at the very minimum remove the early access category from the game. There should literally be zero reason for a game to be years in the early access category despite there not being an update nor even "news" update about it for more than 3 years.

Valve have already made an update to the EA tag on games that have not been updated in a long time to further aid purchasers.

Originally posted by J4MESOX4D:

Originally posted by Leckaine:

I already said what, at the very minimum remove the early access category from the game. There should literally be zero reason for a game to be years in the early access category despite there not being an update nor even "news" update about it for more than 3 years.

Valve have already made an update to the EA tag on games that have not been updated in a long time to further aid purchasers.

But they wont take the games down though, will they?

Ask why and money is your answer. The game still has the potential to bring steam money even if it means the customer receives a sub par product that might not even run anymore.

I %100 agree that it is up to the buyer. However the whole EA thing reeks of greed and it is your fault for falling for a trap i set for you.

Originally posted by Dura_Ace:

Originally posted by J4MESOX4D:

Valve have already made an update to the EA tag on games that have not been updated in a long time to further aid purchasers.

But they wont take the games down though, will they?

Ask why and money is your answer. The game still has the potential to bring steam money even if it means the customer receives a sub par product that might not even run anymore.

If people are still buying into a dead game then that's their problem. Valve have absolutely no business in taking down other games that may be in development. That would harm the platform and invite a whole world of legal trouble. It would take years of investigating and proving that a game was 'dead' and then the developers would just claim interference sabotaged development.

If users don't buy or engage with a product then it will sink. Valve don't need to rely on dead game impulse purchases for money.

Originally posted by J4MESOX4D:

Originally posted by Dura_Ace:

But they wont take the games down though, will they?

Ask why and money is your answer. The game still has the potential to bring steam money even if it means the customer receives a sub par product that might not even run anymore.

If people are still buying into a dead game then that's their problem. Valve have absolutely no business in taking down other games that may be in development. That would harm the platform and invite a whole world of legal trouble. It would take years of investigating and proving that a game was 'dead' and then the developers would just claim interference sabotaged development.

If users don't buy or engage with a product then it will sink. Valve don't need to rely on dead game impulse purchases for money.

Valve don't need to rely on dead game impulse purchases for money.

But do it anyway.

I agree with your statement. In part.

I am sure that valve made sure with lawyers that there are get out clauses written in, but money does a funny thing to people. People like money, so as long as money is coming in, even under shady circumstances where your consumers are harmed, then corporations, private or otherwise, tend to prefer the money.

So we are back to is it in Steams best interest to have games on their platform that are dead and are not longer being developed? Especially after they have not received updates after three years?

Why would you as an entity expose your customers to even the possibility of them experiencing something bad on your platform?

When stores no longer care what their own customers experience and are more insterested in the money that comes from such practices then it is time to examine if you or i should spend money there.

Now, in the interest of not wanting to get banned i am goign to leave this discussion now.

Steam does not take lihgly people who attempt to disuede others from spending money here but that is the trtuh. If the entity does not care for your experience then why bother being there?