Best to leave well enough alone. Fair is based on a coin flip for whoever sees the discussion.

I tend to avoid those topics altogether, regardless of how they lean. They always end with each side growling at one another like dogs on opposite sides of a fence. I block the usual suspects to keep my view clean(er) so I can focus more on those topics I care more about.

And I haven't visited a game forum in a long time. If it isn't the latest debates over how woke the new games are, it's a line of extreme fanboys that can't take a single bit of criticism, or the usual suspects of baiters looking for their next report victims.

If I want normal discourse, I have my subset of friends that I can reach out to for that. No reason to roll the dice with the peanut galleries.

Because Steam mods follow a dogmatic list of rules. The pro LGBTQ copy pasta nonsense, which by definition is spam, doesn't get into trouble because a) it's a sensitive topic and b) they don't use "inflammatory speech" and are not "rude".

Basically, one side has found a loophole to skirt punishments, while the other just says what they want to say which leads to giant arguments, which per Steam rules, is a no no.

I just got a month long ban on a game forum, for a first time offense, because I was talking to another user in the forum and telling them that I blocked two people because they're going around flaming that particular forum, which according to Steam support is a giant red flag and a month long ban is an appropriate response. Ya, I was a little rude with how I referred to those two, not denying it. But a month long ban is egregious no matter how you look at it.

While one of the people I was saying I blocked is still there arguing and derailing threads and mocking people while doing it.

At the end of the day, both sides get punished, but one is using speech patterns and copy pasta's that barely skirt the Steam rules, while the other just says whatever they want. Both are problems, but one side is usually going against the rules more directly than the other.

I've honestly given up on Steam forums. It's a waste of time.

I have no love for either camp, and find both to be obnoxious. That being said the woke folk know the rules, and they're good about adhering to them. The anti-woke folk however tend to just plain forget their manners at the door, and it gets them in trouble when they wander into hate speech. If you wouldn't say it in real life in mixed company. You probably shouldn't post that on any forum. Moderators aren't mediators, and they're not referees. They enforce the rules of decorum. Follow those rules, and you'll be fine.

It goes both ways. I've seen both 'woke' and 'anti-woke' posts deleted or locked down. It depends on what camp the admin of that group follows

Sometimes they pull in others who had nothing to do with it.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Vivi d’Arc:

I see alot of anti-woke threads lately in the discussions, calling out forms of ideological injecting into games. They often get dev mod banned but I also see a ton of (constructive) posts getting locked down by Steam moderators with many users banned aswell, often for several months.

Okay fine.

Then there is the "pro-woke"? (is that correct?) threads promoting certain ideologic beliefs in an extreme way and to some extent also openly insulting, especially men and a certain skin color ethnicity, even see people cheering certain real life terror attacks with real civilian lifes lost, and it seems suddenly every/most Steam mods are fine with that. I almost never see these threads getting dev mod banned, and never see Steam moderation closing down these threads no matter how hostile or insultive certain individuals of this ideological mindset become. I can´t remember ever seeing a "woke" thread or its promoters getting banned here.

How is that fair and why are guidelines are allowed to be applied in this targeted and extremely subjective-centric way? Can´t we simply either allow both or restrain both extremes so the 90% of us normies can have normal discussions here? Hope this will not get me banned.

its not and the coming reponse isnt racism and sexism its tribalism based on the right adopting the lefts identity politics. the left had no problem with it because it was profitable.

"" restrain both extremes so the 90% us normies "" said only leftests and ignorant people.

the usa at least its the left republicans under 90s democrats like trump and the far left democrats and their socialists. 99% of the problem is the right doesnt exist on the federal stage. youll call them extreme but they arent the left though is literally doing arson and fruad to such scale its ruining the country and its hit the news so its publicly available records that no one disputes

the single biggest difference between a right wing republican and a democrat rino is being anti feminists. most of yall think thats bad because you drank the coolaid. i literally might find the chacter limit on steam if i try to type of everything on that one that needs to be said too. its extremely well documented too so if you did actually care you could easily read on it all.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Texas Gamer:

It goes both ways. I've seen both 'woke' and 'anti-woke' posts deleted or locked down. It depends on what camp the admin of that group follows

the woke posts are almost ignored. its only recently that i think they realized the hard bait threads the leftests where using to bait arguments and use to false report are a problem.

it took nearly 2 years for them to stop falsely banning me and the only thing i can think of that changed is they took what i said about them going as is and getting sued the instant a dollar amount becomes available because no one would defend whats happening on the back end and discovery would expose it all. it literally takes 30 seconds to document things if they do their job properly. it requires almost zero effort to try and deal with false reporting which is only happening because its ignored or rules are being selectively enforced.

literally when the bans stopped was when reddit had to fire moderators because of lawsuits they would get if they didnt from trump and others they where slandering with the help of cnn and the view. Washington state is one of the states known to be all about meh discrimination lawsuits too. thats where valve is based out of even if the mods are out of the eu on contract.

if it hadnt been the problem it was i wouldnt even be here wasting time posting about this.

it was so bad with the false reports that if i saw a banned user i could promise you with 100% certainty it was the same people false reporting me and i used the block function to mark them. i go back one page and there is 3 of them all picking a fight with the banned user.

if you think this is bad now understand two things
-all of steams problems for the foreseeable future come from being ""woke always online game stop""
-the instant gabe passes hopefully in peace of old age the person who takes over will make the company publicly traded and it will get 10 times worse.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Myrth the Plague:

Best to leave well enough alone. Fair is based on a coin flip for whoever sees the discussion.

it shouldnt be its not how rules work

Oprindeligt skrevet af Akemua:

Because Steam mods follow a dogmatic list of rules. The pro LGBTQ copy pasta nonsense, which by definition is spam, doesn't get into trouble because a) it's a sensitive topic and b) they don't use "inflammatory speech" and are not "rude".

Most of the copy pasta LGBT nonsense is being made by the alts of culture warriors to give them a 'safe space' to fight. It makes it look more like a discussion and less them just nakedly posting anti-LGBT propaganda.

Ugh... can't even discuss politics in general without political extremism being injected into the discussion.

Gotta love Op's thinly veiled attempt at dismissing the rampart homophobia/transphobia/racism dripping from many of the 'anti-woke' threads, while "well the pro-woke side are anti-men and anti-white terrorists with the collaboration of mods"

Oprindeligt skrevet af Doctor Zalgo:

Most of the copy pasta LGBT nonsense is being made by the alts of culture warriors to give them a 'safe space' to fight. It makes it look more like a discussion and less them just nakedly posting anti-LGBT propaganda.

People false flagging as 'deranged leftists' to prove they're right? That'd be crazy

Oprindeligt skrevet af Texas Gamer:

It goes both ways. I've seen both 'woke' and 'anti-woke' posts deleted or locked down. It depends on what camp the admin of that group follows

Perception bias is a very insidious thing.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Tito Shivan:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Doctor Zalgo:

Most of the copy pasta LGBT nonsense is being made by the alts of culture warriors to give them a 'safe space' to fight. It makes it look more like a discussion and less them just nakedly posting anti-LGBT propaganda.

People false flagging as 'deranged leftists' to prove they're right? That'd be crazy

The blind spot culture warriors have is that they are convinced that being LGBT is a club you have to evangelise for rather than just something that you are while playing games with your friends.

"Of course LGBT people are only on steam to talk about being LGBT, why else would you create a steam account?"

Unfortunately devs can moderate their forums how they see fit and it can also negatively affect a customers account. The best way to deal with the far-left is simply with facts and logic rather than stooping to their level with mindless insults, just remember this isn’t Reddit so the leftist mentality of appealing to emotion over reality has no bearing on discussions. If you do this then any subsequent community wide bans that result from biased dev moderation can easily be overturned through steam support.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Vivi d’Arc:

I see alot of anti-woke threads lately in the discussions,

Yes which results in spam topics regarding them..