Originally posted by Cabal:

No more high prices for worthless digital licenses which can be revoked anytime

Name an instance of a license being revoked without a reasonable explanation.

Ultimately deve and publishers set the prices. Valve only suggests prices but devs choose to use the price or set any price.

Some devs are responsive to requests to check currency value etc, but not many are willing to change prices for every country. Being in the eu they're likely just going to use the recommended price for Germany/the eu

Originally posted by Chika Ogiue:

Originally posted by Cabal:

No more high prices for worthless digital licenses which can be revoked anytime

Name an instance of a license being revoked without a reasonable explanation.

If you don't care about your rights, you don't care about other people as well. Despite this: stop exploiting my comment for what it's not.

The gamer, depending on its location on earth, is more or less getting fkd over; here in Poland especially.

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

Ultimately deve and publishers set the prices. Valve only suggests prices but devs choose to use the price or set any price.

Some devs are responsive to requests to check currency value etc, but not many are willing to change prices for every country. Being in the eu they're likely just going to use the recommended price for Germany/the eu

Is there any reason why me/others should care and play along this any longer?

Originally posted by Cabal:

Is there any reason why me/others should care and play along this any longer?

If people don't put in a minimum effort to contact the Devs to consider checking the currency conversion and thus to consider a price adjustment, nothing will change.

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

Originally posted by Cabal:

Is there any reason why me/others should care and play along this any longer?

If people don't put in a minimum effort to contact the Devs to consider checking the currency conversion and thus to consider a price adjustment, nothing will change.

Wait a sec, what should we do exactly? Contact thousands of game developers and additionally shell out our lifetime besides the money? Nah bro, this is too much asked for. People made it already aware for a decade+ that something is off incl. creating petitions (current one has 30k).

I think it's time to look for -100% offers.
If only games were affected in Poland, this would be actually okayish!

Originally posted by Cabal:

Wait a sec, what should we do exactly? Contact thousands of game developers and additionally shell out our lifetime besides the money? Nah bro, this is too much asked for. People made it already aware for a decade+ that something is off incl. creating petitions (current one has 30k).

I think it's time to look for -100% offers.
If only games were affected in Poland, this would be actually okayish!

You contact only the Devs of games you're interested in. Others can contact the Devs of games they're interested in. Everything else, is improving the countries economy to make the currency more valuable as not every company will want to slash prices because of regions with lesser currency value. People could also wait for larger steam sales or dev/publisher sales, no one has to pay full price if they're willing to be patient for a good-enough future discount.

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

Originally posted by Cabal:

Wait a sec, what should we do exactly? Contact thousands of game developers and additionally shell out our lifetime besides the money? Nah bro, this is too much asked for. People made it already aware for a decade+ that something is off incl. creating petitions (current one has 30k).

I think it's time to look for -100% offers.
If only games were affected in Poland, this would be actually okayish!

You contact only the Devs of games you're interested in. Others can contact the Devs of games they're interested in. Everything else, is improving the countries economy to make the currency more valuable as not every company will want to slash prices because of regions with lesser currency value. People could also wait for larger steam sales or dev/publisher sales, no one has to pay full price if they're willing to be patient for a good-enough future discount.

Are you reading what you are posting?

This is a general problem which effects every game on Steam.
Fighting symptoms is what you propose?

Dude listen.
Are you even affected by these problems? If you would be affected by this, you wouldn't write utterly bs like this:

"Improving countries economy" or stuff like "increase currency value". As if we are talking about just adjusting the slider in the newest Civ to be honored with fair prices in 3 decades.

There are ways to get games and I hate those who force us to do it this way. I've been fair and supporting devs for two decades straight. But this ends now.

Originally posted by Cabal:

"Improving countries economy" or stuff like "increase currency value". As if we are talking about just adjusting the slider in the newest Civ to be honored with fair prices.

It can be done with competent leadership and something of value to offer the global trade market. More questions would be if the country could succeed better independently, or if it's better under the highly restrictive eu membership status.

Originally posted by Cabal:

There are ways to get games and I hate those who force us to do it this way. I've been fair and supporting devs for two decades straight. But this ends now.

Then be vocal to the Devs of the games you're interested in because they set prices.

Originally posted by Cabal:

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

If people don't put in a minimum effort to contact the Devs to consider checking the currency conversion and thus to consider a price adjustment, nothing will change.

Wait a sec, what should we do exactly? Contact thousands of game developers and additionally shell out our lifetime besides the money? Nah bro, this is too much asked for. People made it already aware for a decade+ that something is off incl. creating petitions (current one has 30k).

I think it's time to look for -100% offers.
If only games were affected in Poland, this would be actually okayish!

If something is that important, then you do the work required to make it happen. The epitome of laziness and apathy is complaining on an Internet forum and expecting someone to solve your problems for you. Hound your Polish political leaders. Hound the EU. They are the reasons why you pay more for games, relative to others.

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

Originally posted by Cabal:

"Improving countries economy" or stuff like "increase currency value". As if we are talking about just adjusting the slider in the newest Civ to be honored with fair prices.

It can be done with competent leadership and something of value to offer the global trade market. More questions would be if the country could succeed better independently, or if it's better under the highly restrictive eu membership status.

Originally posted by Cabal:

There are ways to get games and I hate those who force us to do it this way. I've been fair and supporting devs for two decades straight. But this ends now.

Then be vocal to the Devs of the games you're interested in because they set prices.

Are you a troll? Economics are not a game and "competent leadership" is no answer to a geographical & history tied location like Poland. I guess you understand that very well.

Besides:
We've been vocal for a decade+.
Maybe it's time to encourage other methods of obtaining games to make them hear us.

Originally posted by Cabal:

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

It can be done with competent leadership and something of value to offer the global trade market. More questions would be if the country could succeed better independently, or if it's better under the highly restrictive eu membership status.


Then be vocal to the Devs of the games you're interested in because they set prices.

Are you a troll? Economics are not a game and "competent leadership" is no answer to a geographical & history tied location like Poland. I guess you understand that very well.

Besides:
We've been vocal for a decade+.
Maybe it's time to encourage other methods of obtaining games to make them hear us.

What exactly are you proposing? I really hope you do not mean piracy but instead are referring to humble monthly or something.

Originally posted by BJWyler:

Originally posted by Cabal:

Wait a sec, what should we do exactly? Contact thousands of game developers and additionally shell out our lifetime besides the money? Nah bro, this is too much asked for. People made it already aware for a decade+ that something is off incl. creating petitions (current one has 30k).

I think it's time to look for -100% offers.
If only games were affected in Poland, this would be actually okayish!

If something is that important, then you do the work required to make it happen. The epitome of laziness and apathy is complaining on an Internet forum and expecting someone to solve your problems for you. Hound your Polish political leaders. Hound the EU. They are the reasons why you pay more for games, relative to others.

Laziness? So you accuse Poles of being lazy regarding this matter bc they voice this issue only to reach as much folks as possible regarding being on the top list most expensive game prices in a nation with pays low wages?

There is also a petition going with 30k signs collected. But what is it worth?

I'm 100%ly sure you wouldn't complain and do it very differently.
Also, you would wait years for offers, engage in politics or even wait a decade before you can get your hands on a game for a good price.

Originally posted by Cabal:

Are you a troll? Economics are not a game and "competent leadership" is no answer to a geographical & history tied location like Poland. I guess you understand that very well.

Of course it's not a game, but the reality is if people want to afford more luxury items, either their country needs to improve its standing in the global market to the point the currency value increases. Or, individuals need to get to a better job or create their own job making things others want to buy thus increasing their own income to the point of affording luxury goods. Selling internationally means you can charge good to luxury prices if people are willing to buy whatever product you can manufacture.

Originally posted by Cabal:

Besides:
We've been vocal for a decade+.

A person here or there wont do much, especially when it's not in a game hub or not contacting a developer/publisher directly. "Steam Discussions" is not exactly a place many game devs visit, they tend to stick to their own sites, their own game hub or their own official discords.

Originally posted by Cabal:

Maybe it's time to encourage other methods of obtaining games to make them hear us.

That is unlikely to sway a Dev/Publisher, and continual hinting at piracy is something Valve highly frowns upon, it's one of their super rules of what not to do on the forum.
That, and if people aren't buying during large steam sales then chances are even with consideration for currency they aren't going to buy it at all, so such consideration is largely pointless because it just shows some just want 90% off or free as more of a 'default'.

You are right. I need to apologize to all of you.
It's just fair that we have to pay high prices and I guess we understand.
We will try to choose our leadership correctly, up our economics and make make the currency value rise higher. Also, I will try to contact the devs to adjust their price of a game I want which I think is effective.
Also, we Poles are lazy; I think it's a known fact and fair to mention as well. Discussing issues online here and there... it's better to shut up and play along.
Didn't want to upset anyone!

Thanks for enlightening me.

To those funny guys mentioning piracy; smelling some authority-roleplay opportunity to shut me up or whatever: everything outside of Steam; that includes Humble Bundle etc.

Originally posted by Cabal:

You are right. I need to apologize to all of you.
It's just fair that we have to pay high prices and I guess we understand.
We will try to choose our leadership correctly, up our economics and make make the currency value rise higher.
Also, we Poles are lazy; I think it's a known fact and fair to mention as well.
Didn't wanted to upset anyone!

Thanks for enlightening me.

To those funny guys mentioning piracy; smelling some authority-roleplay opportunity to shut me up or whatever: everything outside of Steam; that includes Humble Bundle etc.

Devs/Publishers also look at the tone or attitude of suggestions when communicated to them directly, if it's negative, they tend to ignore accordingly and be more against considerations. So, how one communicates can actually be detrimental to fellow regional individuals if people want more region affordable pricing.
Devs/Publishers set the price. You can politely in good faith ask a Dev or Publisher of a game you're interested in to consider different pricing, though anything else will tend to result in them never considering it.