i agree.

Originally posted by Malahite:

Because you absolutely know that the more payment processors keep pushing this sort of thing, we will eventually reach the point where games and content are going to be actively removed from people's accounts because some old fart making billions a year off of transaction fees found something online "icky".

Well... who do you think has millions or billions of dollars to lobby government officials to change laws or write new laws to suit them? Do you really think politicians don't like money or aren't often corrupt?

I mean let's look at the U.S. right now, a bunch of billions dismantling everything, and half the voters too stupid to realize it. Do you really think such a thing is impossible in the EU? Give it twenty or thirty years and a lot can happen to destroy the facade of democracy.

Push them too far and scary men in black suits will "persuade" you otherwise.

Originally posted by Malahite:

Because you absolutely know that the more payment processors keep pushing this sort of thing, we will eventually reach the point where games and content are going to be actively removed from people's accounts because some old fart making billions a year off of transaction fees found something online "icky".

There is no such thing. A payment processor is not going to demand that Valve retroactively remove content people already paid for, nor would valve comply.

They are simply saying now they don't want to facilitate the sale of incest for instance. While I disagree with regulation we need to be clear and accurate about the scope of what is and isn't occurring

TBF violent games and movies cause violence

Saw a 4yr old jump kick a lamp after watching Ninja Turtles once

Originally posted by Rockets:

TBF violent games and movies cause violence

Saw a 4yr old jump kick a lamp after watching Ninja Turtles once

Me and my brothers started fighting once after our dad starting playing Kung Fu Fighting by Carl Douglas...

Originally posted by Rockets:

TBF violent games and movies cause violence

Saw a 4yr old jump kick a lamp after watching Ninja Turtles once

Here in Sweden they had to rename "Ninja Mutant Hereo Turtles" into "Teenage Mutant Hero Turltes" back In the 1980's I think... they thought ninjas was too violent...

I loved bad Japanase Shogun and ninja movies back in the day... they had so wonderfull horrible over-dubbing of sound eeffects so that it actually became good... :-)

Originally posted by Truth:

Originally posted by Malahite:

Because you absolutely know that the more payment processors keep pushing this sort of thing, we will eventually reach the point where games and content are going to be actively removed from people's accounts because some old fart making billions a year off of transaction fees found something online "icky".

There is no such thing. A payment processor is not going to demand that Valve retroactively remove content people already paid for, nor would valve comply.

They are simply saying now they don't want to facilitate the sale of incest for instance. While I disagree with regulation we need to be clear and accurate about the scope of what is and isn't occurring

We have already seen precedents like this happen with other gaming companies/corporations, you are incredibly naive to think that Valve is somehow immune to market trends.
Reminder that we ONLY have refunds on shovelware slop games and scams thanks to the EU and Australia strong-arming them into it. It's why initiatives like SKG in the EU right now are so important, since those of us here in the USA sure as sh*t don't have any basic rights when it comes to this sort of thing.

Australian Governments are so weak we can't even defend our country the normal way let alone virtually.

Originally posted by nullable:

Originally posted by Malahite:

Because you absolutely know that the more payment processors keep pushing this sort of thing, we will eventually reach the point where games and content are going to be actively removed from people's accounts because some old fart making billions a year off of transaction fees found something online "icky".

Well... who do you think has millions or billions of dollars to lobby government officials to change laws or write new laws to suit them? Do you really think politicians don't like money or aren't often corrupt?

I mean let's look at the U.S. right now, a bunch of billions dismantling everything, and half the voters too stupid to realize it. Do you really think such a thing is impossible in the EU? Give it twenty or thirty years and a lot can happen to destroy the facade of democracy.

That's right. We don't need more regulation, but less. All these issues comes back to big government.

The EU is absolute NOT an example. You will never see the EU having their sillicon valley with all that regulatory nonsense they have.

Originally posted by Truth:

Originally posted by Malahite:

Because you absolutely know that the more payment processors keep pushing this sort of thing, we will eventually reach the point where games and content are going to be actively removed from people's accounts because some old fart making billions a year off of transaction fees found something online "icky".

There is no such thing. A payment processor is not going to demand that Valve retroactively remove content people already paid for, nor would valve comply.

They are simply saying now they don't want to facilitate the sale of incest for instance. While I disagree with regulation we need to be clear and accurate about the scope of what is and isn't occurring

Please. Valve is not without a giant backlog of risk itself and its entirely possible of many things occurring. You think there is no one monitoring the valve skin market? 10 Billion dollars is a relatively accurate and current speculation of judt counter strike skins alone. That's more money than most cryptocurrency projects. While crypto is criticized for its lack of security and protections, skins have zero. Skins also are simply licensed products that cpuld have a value of nothing at any point in time if valve closed off the ability to sell them.

The fact there are people who have accounts worth millions of dollars with some skins being a million dollars a piece, do you know what kind of money that is likely tied to? Super rich people will buy super cars and that is considered a waste. I wonder what type of money the people or companies have that have super car and mansion priced skins that are not even owned by them?

So if it ever got revealed that funding from skins being converted to bitcoin or other fiat currency was used in X, Y or Zed war, valve wouldn't be in the hot seat? Or what if people who participated in that stuff got called out? The entire industry is a cesspool of a mess right now.

Originally posted by Tr3m0r:

Originally posted by Truth:

There is no such thing. A payment processor is not going to demand that Valve retroactively remove content people already paid for, nor would valve comply.

They are simply saying now they don't want to facilitate the sale of incest for instance. While I disagree with regulation we need to be clear and accurate about the scope of what is and isn't occurring

Please. Valve is not without a giant backlog of risk itself and its entirely possible of many things occurring. You think there is no one monitoring the valve skin market? 10 Billion dollars is a relatively accurate and current speculation of judt counter strike skins alone. That's more money than most cryptocurrency projects. While crypto is criticized for its lack of security and protections, skins have zero. Skins also are simply licensed products that cpuld have a value of nothing at any point in time if valve closed off the ability to sell them.

The fact there are people who have accounts worth millions of dollars with some skins being a million dollars a piece, do you know what kind of money that is likely tied to? Super rich people will buy super cars and that is considered a waste. I wonder what type of money the people or companies have that have super car and mansion priced skins that are not even owned by them?

So if it ever got revealed that funding from skins being converted to bitcoin or other fiat currency was used in X, Y or Zed war, valve wouldn't be in the hot seat? Or what if people who participated in that stuff got called out? The entire industry is a cesspool of a mess right now.

The "skin market" is not run by Valve and Valve has literally shut down sites facilitating it before.

Originally posted by Malahite:

We have already seen precedents like this happen with other gaming companies/corporations, you are incredibly naive to think that Valve is somehow immune to market trends.
Reminder that we ONLY have refunds on shovelware slop games and scams thanks to the EU and Australia strong-arming them into it. It's why initiatives like SKG in the EU right now are so important, since those of us here in the USA sure as sh*t don't have any basic rights when it comes to this sort of thing.

That isn't true at all, refunds existed well before then, the only thing Australia did was get Valve to create a webpage explaining what the refunds were. Valve won every case in those courts where they denied refunds.

As for the Stop Killing Games petition that has nothing to do with Valve as they are just a store selling them and have no say in what dev's do with their games. Valve already lets you download any game even if the dev's have removed it or tried to kill it. I can download 20 year old MMO's that have long shut down if i want.

You might as well ask Gamestop, Bestbuy, Amazon, etc to stop killing games as they have just as much power as Valve.

Originally posted by Tr3m0r:

So if it ever got revealed that funding from skins being converted to bitcoin or other fiat currency was used in X, Y or Zed war, valve wouldn't be in the hot seat? Or what if people who participated in that stuff got called out? The entire industry is a cesspool of a mess right now.

Except Valve provides 0 ways to do that, you can sell skins via the official market, anything else and its not Valve doing it so they aren't involved