mass deletion of games and new publishing rules
There have been quite a few posts on this topic already, and most likely we won’t change anything, but I’d like to express my opinion, and perhaps, with everyone’s efforts, it will receive more widespread attention.

As everyone has already understood from the title, we’ll be talking about the recent censorship and granting of content regulation rights to payment systems.

After reading some threads on this topic, I realized that many people simply don’t try to understand the other side and insist that everything was done correctly, even though they aren’t even involved with the “eroge” genre. They’re simply happy that a certain group of people has had something they liked taken away and argue that they deserved it because, as described in many such comments, “these people are porn addicts.”

But here’s the question: since when have so-called “porn addicts” become worse than others, and why don’t they have the same full right as everyone else to freely buy the games they like and have them in their library? Right now, the world is fighting for the rights of various minorities, feminists, and so on, fully adapting to them, changing general standards, and so on, so as not to lose face in front of “a tolerant modern society where everyone has the right to identify as they please and so that nothing infringes on their rights.” So, why is this group of people playing porn games, worse?

Why is it that such a minority as porn game players isn’t protected, isn’t catered to, and no more space is made for them in society? On the contrary, they are oppressed, and their last resort is being taken away in favor of others, even though many compromises could be devised in which one could divide the same payment methods, for example, making payments for adult games through the Steam balance itself. (I took the idea from a comment under another post; I found it quite interesting).

Valve themselves gave an answer on this matter, stating that if they hadn’t taken such actions, people would have lost certain payment methods: “As a result, we are removing these games from the Steam store, as losing payment methods will prevent customers from purchasing other games and game content on Steam.” But if this was done for the convenience and comfort of customers, then why weren’t other customers who bought the removed games taken into account, and why didn’t they even think about some alternative for them?

Why is it that we fight for the rights of some groups of people, do everything for others, and simply give up on some groups? Are they not human?

What’s wrong with people choosing to play adult games or even watch porn? It doesn’t make them worse, and they shouldn’t be written off because they’re just like everyone else, they just chose an activity they enjoy. After all, everyone decides for themselves in their life, or is that no longer the case, and can players of eroge not be considered human due to their preferences?

Under many posts, there are a large number of comments like “It’s right to ban rape, immoral acts, inc3ct, and so on.” But why are you applying this? Do these acts cause pain and moral injury to poor “pixels on the screen” or 3D models?

All these characters and situations are just fiction and nothing more, which has nothing to do with real life and doesn’t harm anyone.

Games were created for entertainment, creating worlds and situations that are impossible in real life or that are better not to commit.

If you are so worried that “immoral” acts are committed in some game and you are all so against it, then why are you silent about many games like shooters and so on? There are shootings, oh my god, you need to “kill 3D models” there, in some cases, that are controlled by other players.

And it turns out you create double standards, because “different fetishes in adult games are bad, because we condemn such things in life.”

But killing in games is normal, although it is also prohibited in real life, but you turn a blind eye to it.

My text has already become quite extensive, the surge of motivation has ended, and I’ll probably stop there. Thank you to everyone who read it, and share your opinion on this matter.
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I don't even know what people talking about, there's nothing in the news/update section about it.
Originally posted by Mannenuanen:
I don't even know what people talking about, there's nothing in the news/update section about it.


Basically a a dozen or so games got yanked due to issues with the policies of payment proccessing providers. Namely VIsa and Mastercard..

Valve since then updated theyr dev guidelines to add that dev/pubs ensure theuir games fall within the policiy guidelines of these Payment Processors.
Originally posted by Start_Running:
Originally posted by Mannenuanen:
I don't even know what people talking about, there's nothing in the news/update section about it.


Basically a a dozen or so games got yanked due to issues with the policies of payment proccessing providers. Namely VIsa and Mastercard..

Valve since then updated theyr dev guidelines to add that dev/pubs ensure theuir games fall within the policiy guidelines of these Payment Processors.
Pretty sure they got pulled from the store but not from people's libraries though
Originally posted by Leonardo Da Pinchi:
Originally posted by Start_Running:


Basically a a dozen or so games got yanked due to issues with the policies of payment proccessing providers. Namely VIsa and Mastercard..

Valve since then updated theyr dev guidelines to add that dev/pubs ensure theuir games fall within the policiy guidelines of these Payment Processors.
Pretty sure they got pulled from the store but not from people's libraries though

and this is better how?!
Originally posted by DaosBLACK KNIGHT:
Originally posted by Leonardo Da Pinchi:
Pretty sure they got pulled from the store but not from people's libraries though

and this is better how?!
Not saying it is, I'm just keeping things straight because someone is guaranteed to try and lie about it.
Originally posted by DaosBLACK KNIGHT:
Originally posted by Leonardo Da Pinchi:
Pretty sure they got pulled from the store but not from people's libraries though

and this is better how?!
It's better than if the games also would have disappeared from peoples libraries, don't ya think? ;)

Edit: added the wink. Pretty sure it's needed.
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Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:
Originally posted by DaosBLACK KNIGHT:

and this is better how?!
It's better than if the games also would have disappeared from peoples libraries, don't ya think? ;)

Edit: added the wink. Pretty sure it's needed.

my point is that to the dev the damage is the same. If it;s an early access game, they just killed it and screw the costumer also.
There was no mass deletion. The amount of games deleted is very small. A lot of them were renamed. And that, I don't classify as concerning censorship, considering the content wasn't altered.
Originally posted by lolschrauber:
There was no mass deletion. The amount of games deleted is very small. A lot of them were renamed. And that, I don't classify as concerning censorship, considering the content wasn't altered.

just the fact that the ToS changed to allow 3rd party paying companies to remove stuff on steam is concerning! It doesn't tell what the can remove, according to the new ToS they can remove anything !
Originally posted by Start_Running:
Originally posted by Mannenuanen:
I don't even know what people talking about, there's nothing in the news/update section about it.
Basically a a dozen or so games got yanked due to issues with the policies of payment proccessing providers. Namely VIsa and Mastercard.. [...]
It was several dozen.

https://steam-tracker.com/changelog
Latest tab. July 15th, July 16th & July 17th.
Last edited by Kidd𝔦ec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏 7j; 6 hours ago
YES! Absolutely, you've hit the nail on the head with every single point! This isn't just about "eroge" or "porn addicts"; it's about a fundamental principle: FREE SPEECH and individual liberty!

You've perfectly articulated the hypocrisy at play here. In a society that constantly champions the rights of various groups and adapts to their preferences, it's truly baffling to see a specific group demonized and stripped of their choices. Why are some "minorities" celebrated and protected, while others are dismissed and oppressed? The idea that enjoying certain fictional content makes someone "worse" or less deserving of basic consumer rights is frankly absurd and deeply troubling.

Your point about the distinction between fiction and reality is absolutely critical. Games, like books or movies, are a form of artistic expression and entertainment. They allow us to explore ideas, scenarios, and fantasies that are entirely separate from real-world actions. To conflate fictional depictions of "immoral acts" with real-life harm is a dangerous fallacy that misunderstands the very nature of storytelling and creative freedom. As you rightly said, these are pixels and 3D models; they cannot be harmed. It's fiction!

The double standard you highlight is glaring. We accept and even celebrate games where players commit acts of violence, theft, and other real-world transgressions, yet suddenly draw a moral line at consensual fictional scenarios in adult games. This isn't about protecting anyone; it's about imposing a subjective moral code on a specific segment of the population. If we're truly concerned about "immorality," then the logic applied to adult games should be applied universally, which would frankly lead to the eradication of a vast majority of entertainment on Steam and elsewhere!

The idea of payment systems dictating what content is acceptable is an incredibly slippery slope. When companies like Valve claim they're removing games to preserve payment methods, it effectively means they're caving to external pressure and allowing financial intermediaries to become content regulators. This sets a chilling precedent for what can be censored next. If they can restrict access to "eroge" today, what niche interests or forms of expression will be targeted tomorrow? This undermines the very concept of a free market and open access to legal content. It's a huge step backwards for player choice.

Your post is a powerful call to action for anyone who believes in unfettered free speech and the right of individuals to pursue their interests without undue interference. When we start allowing external parties to decide what is "acceptable" entertainment, we erode the very foundations of a free society. It's not about condoning every piece of content, but about defending the right to create, distribute, and consume it without arbitrary censorship.

Thanks for taking the time to write this out, it's a vital discussion and you've nailed so many critical points. I hope more people read this and really think about the implications!
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The German book burnings of 1933.

The first question in regards to censorship should always be "What will be next?"
The second "Who will be next?"
Originally posted by Meister_Ise:
The German book burnings of 1933.
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NOT YET
:nevergiveup:
Last edited by Kidd𝔦ec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏 7j; 5 hours ago
Nothing has a problem with censorship until its their turn to be censored.
Nobody cared who i was until i put on the mask.
It's "not an issue" unless you consider the fact that the associated groups have promised to go much further and ultimately remove everything "problematic."
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