It has nothing to do with Valve "allowing" or 'letting" anything. They simply have no choice. Sort of like when we're moderated. We have no choice, but to accept what Steam has done to us, or our account.

This time, Valve has no choice in what payment processing and banks decide what to process, and what not.

They will accept it, or they like we can decide to end our relationships altogether.

Meaning, we can end our Steam account, and Steam can go out of business.

It is all up to what we want to do.

Originally posted by xBCxRangers:

It has nothing to do with Valve "allowing" or 'letting" anything. They simply have no choice. Sort of like when we're moderated. We have no choice, but to accept what Steam has done to us, or our account.

This time, Valve has no choice in what payment processing and banks decide what to process, and what not.

they do have a choice, tell those payment companies to ♥♥♥♥ off...theres some damage to payment company too if they cant be used on the biggest game distribution platform

Valve is a business. I don't doubt they will have weighed up the option of losing large amounts of money from payment processors they'd lose business with, vs what money they'd lose from the backlash of this decision and the removal of borderline illegal/mostly inappropriate erotic games.

I don't like this new rule either, but I don't see this rule being applied to non-adult games that we all love and enjoy.

Time will tell.

Originally posted by Shin Bison:

Originally posted by xBCxRangers:

It has nothing to do with Valve "allowing" or 'letting" anything. They simply have no choice. Sort of like when we're moderated. We have no choice, but to accept what Steam has done to us, or our account.

This time, Valve has no choice in what payment processing and banks decide what to process, and what not.

they do have a choice, tell those payment companies to ♥♥♥♥ off...theres some damage to payment company too if they cant be used on the biggest game distribution platform

Oh they can tell them that. I've told moderation just that many times. However, they, like the Banks make the rules of their own businesses. And Steam has no choice.

We can however get a statement from Mr Newell to his consumer base. But he's too busy on his yacht to care about us.

Therefore, there is no sense fighting on behalf of a company that will just as well tell their users to eat cake and deal with it. Which is in essence what Valve is doing.

Originally posted by Shin Bison:

Originally posted by xBCxRangers:

It has nothing to do with Valve "allowing" or 'letting" anything. They simply have no choice. Sort of like when we're moderated. We have no choice, but to accept what Steam has done to us, or our account.

This time, Valve has no choice in what payment processing and banks decide what to process, and what not.

they do have a choice, tell those payment companies to ♥♥♥♥ off...theres some damage to payment company too if they cant be used on the biggest game distribution platform

..and then payment companies tell Valve to ♥♥♥♥ off and surprise, you can't use Visa or Mastercard on Steam anymore.
If you think Steam would survive that you're a fool and you're speaking of things you don't have the slightest idea of.

Originally posted by Shin Bison:

Originally posted by xBCxRangers:

It has nothing to do with Valve "allowing" or 'letting" anything. They simply have no choice. Sort of like when we're moderated. We have no choice, but to accept what Steam has done to us, or our account.

This time, Valve has no choice in what payment processing and banks decide what to process, and what not.

they do have a choice, tell those payment companies to ♥♥♥♥ off...theres some damage to payment company too if they cant be used on the biggest game distribution platform

Yeaah, not how it works, bud. And if you think the processors need Valve more than Valve needs them, you are woefully uninformed about how business and the economy work.

The billionaires are all behind it so #RejectGlobalOligarchy

It's a smart choice, you wouldn't want to see the outcome if they didn't comply.

It’s already been that way, OP.

You can really tell when youtubers are covering the same thing and trying to put fear/panic into the public, because some incest games got removed. Valve by themselves already denies or bans games that put minors in sexual situations.
Like the other threads, the loss of some "games" is better than losing entire payment processors, especially since the rest of the games on the store will sell without any issues.

For a future note, anytime youtubers bring stuff up, look for existing discussions before making a new thread to avoid dozens of threads about the same thing, as there's an original and quite large discussion about it here;
https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/discussions/forum/0/601910081412430040/

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

You can really tell when youtubers are covering the same thing and trying to put fear/panic into the public, because some incest games got removed. Valve by themselves already denies or bans games that put minors in sexual situations.
Like the other threads, the loss of some "games" is better than losing entire payment processors, especially since the rest of the games on the store will sell without any issues.

For a future note, anytime youtubers bring stuff up, look for existing discussions before making a new thread to avoid dozens of threads about the same thing, as there's an original and quite large discussion about it here;
https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/discussions/forum/0/601910081412430040/

the ToS tells they can remove ANYTHIG payment processor want. It's not specific to a type of game!
Let's not just get over this just because it's not the kind of games we play.
This about the fact that the next game they go after might be a game you like!

Originally posted by DaosBLACK KNIGHT:

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

You can really tell when youtubers are covering the same thing and trying to put fear/panic into the public, because some incest games got removed. Valve by themselves already denies or bans games that put minors in sexual situations.
Like the other threads, the loss of some "games" is better than losing entire payment processors, especially since the rest of the games on the store will sell without any issues.

For a future note, anytime youtubers bring stuff up, look for existing discussions before making a new thread to avoid dozens of threads about the same thing, as there's an original and quite large discussion about it here;
https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/discussions/forum/0/601910081412430040/

the ToS tells they can remove ANYTHIG payment processor want. It's not specific to a type of game!
Let's not just get over this just because it's not the kind of games we play.
This about the fact that the next game they go after might be a game you like!

Let's not go with the youtubers claims, I'll quote this below;

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

Let's go with what it actually says;
Content that may violate the rules and standards set forth by Steam’s payment processors and related card networks and banks, or internet network providers.

In particular, certain kinds of adult only content.

Certain kinds.
The more vague Valve update on is basically to cover their business, but that little note of specific kinds of adult only content likely means they have an internal list of disallowed or disliked content. Seeing as it only seems to have affected incest games - again while Valve themselves removes pedophilic content, it would seem Valve and Visa/MC have their own preferences as to disallow content primarily considered crossing the line or being potentially illegal in multiple countries that have purchasing power.

The other main issue is youtubers are often immensely dishonest and always say "theyre coming for (thing) next!" in order to have people click their videos and subscribe to more misinformation in the future causing more panic, more people flooding the forums with dozens of threads of the same message from the youtubers, without doing more research into it.

Businesses often also say they can refuse service for any reason, and they don't have to specify the reason as long as the reason is primarily not illegal, which is vague just like their update to Steamworks; vague enough to pass as an enforceable guideline, but not too specific so people attempt loopholes thus causing caution before submitting content or considering what to make/upload to Valve.

Devs were given "app credit" to try making something else, which they should make an actual game with or depart and sell on a service that specializes in such content, so long as it isn't illegal. ISPs/CDNs can also say they don't want specific content on or going through their network for liability reasons.