Payment Processors/Banks should not have any say in what people spend their money on.

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Segert 24 Ιουλ, 13:04

Payment Processors/Banks should not have any say in what people spend their money on.

There is only ONE exception. That is if it is illegal stuff/goods. (Insert obvious examples here)

But they should not decide if you can buy porn games or not. Or other stuff. Even if they find it weird. Its not up to them. Its YOUR money. Not theirs.

What is happening opens a scary can of worms. Any opinion. Politics or preference can now be banned. By these payment processors. Its insane. They should not have that power. Im also quite certain that a bank/payment processor. Cannot decide what you spend your money on. I think that is against the law in most countries.

So in a way what is happening is against the law. The first signs of this happening. We saw in japan. And the Japanese government is embroided in a fight with the payment processors now. As Visa. Paypall ect. Wanted to censor anime.

As a Consumer we should start somekind of movement to give awareness to this issue. Like the stop killing games movement.

But yeah. I think everyone can agree that banks or payment processors should by law. Not have any say what anyone spends their money on. (Except for obviously illegal stuff)

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xBCxRangers 24 Ιουλ, 13:13

They have every say in how they do their business. If Mr Newell or his staff don't like what we say, we get banned or moderated.

Our comments come down, and are forbidden to post, and on his Hubs, even permanently.

That is "his" perogative. As it is Visa's perogative to make THEIR rules.

Steam does not have a verifiable ID system whilst selling adult content.

He can rectify that by coming out with such a device.

He has chosen apparently, to throw the developers under the bus, and have censored your games, because that is what he chose to do.

Not activists, Visa or anyone, but he, or those that sell adult matters without a verifiable id.

Τελευταία επεξεργασία από xBCxRangers; 24 Ιουλ, 13:17

EGS innocent angle (126 IQ) 24 Ιουλ, 13:38

Steam users shouldn't have brigaded porn games and gave activist groups their following, but here we are. Consequences of your own actions

C²C^Guyver |NZB| 24 Ιουλ, 13:50

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από xBCxRangers:
They have every say in how they do their business. If Mr Newell or his staff don't like what we say, we get banned or moderated.

Our comments come down, and are forbidden to post, and on his Hubs, even permanently.

That is "his" perogative. As it is Visa's perogative to make THEIR rules.

Steam does not have a verifiable ID system whilst selling adult content.

He can rectify that by coming out with such a device.

He has chosen apparently, to throw the developers under the bus, and have censored your games, because that is what he chose to do.

Not activists, Visa or anyone, but he, or those that sell adult matters without a verifiable id.

Please research and educate yourself on the situation. The games in question have only been allowed here since 2018. That likely means that Valve held out as long as they could before hosting them. The users wanted them here.

Furthermore, it is not all adult games that were removed, only certain games.

GrimAtrament 24 Ιουλ, 14:26

Soooo you want a social policy that creates a law that interferes directly with Laissez-faire. To prevent corporations from dictating the customers purchases?
Sounds great welcome aboard comrade.

Dollmaker 24 Ιουλ, 14:37

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από EGS innocent angle (126 IQ):
Steam users shouldn't have brigaded porn games and gave activist groups their following, but here we are. Consequences of your own actions

Thats why theyre currently into protected mode after getting exposed to the public and getting absolutely destroyed by Savvy who has done plenty of research of them, which ruined their reputation beyond repair and made the backlash towards them skyrocket.

So no, this isnt a win for them, the general public now knows them, and they want them gone.

Its SBI 2.0.

rawWwRrr 24 Ιουλ, 14:41

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Segert:
Payment Processors/Banks should not have any say in what people spend their money on.

Well, they aren't, actually.

They do have a say in how merchants use their services, though.

You can still spend money on whatever you want. It's just that some items are no longer available on Steam, nor itch.io for that matter anymore. If you can find them for sale elsewhere, feel free to buy them.

lolschrauber 24 Ιουλ, 14:45

They don't. Their loophole is refusing business with platforms which is different than refusing to process your payment for specific products on said platform.

Which is also why people grasping straws like that fair banking act won't work.

Though that propably could be considered extortion of business partners but i'm not a lawyer

Τελευταία επεξεργασία από lolschrauber; 24 Ιουλ, 14:46

EGS innocent angle (126 IQ) 24 Ιουλ, 14:46

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Dollmaker:
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από EGS innocent angle (126 IQ):
Steam users shouldn't have brigaded porn games and gave activist groups their following, but here we are. Consequences of your own actions
Thats why theyre currently into protected mode after getting exposed to the public and getting absolutely destroyed by Savvy who has done plenty of research of them, which ruined their reputation beyond repair and made the backlash towards them skyrocket.

So no, this isnt a win for them, the general public now knows them, and they want them gone.

Its SBI 2.0.

They went follower-only on twitter, that's about all I see. And they now have a bigger following and income than they ever had before, also this only one of dozens of accomplishments they've made. They actually can't win any harder. The "general public" literally supported them on several occasions including when steam users specifically gave them 70,000 signatures in ONE day on their petition to remove No Mercy, which worked.

Dollmaker 24 Ιουλ, 15:09

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από EGS innocent angle (126 IQ):
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Dollmaker:
Thats why theyre currently into protected mode after getting exposed to the public and getting absolutely destroyed by Savvy who has done plenty of research of them, which ruined their reputation beyond repair and made the backlash towards them skyrocket.

So no, this isnt a win for them, the general public now knows them, and they want them gone.

Its SBI 2.0.
They went follower-only on twitter, that's about all I see. And they now have a bigger following and income than they ever had before, also this only one of dozens of accomplishments they've made. They actually can't win any harder. The "general public" literally supported them on several occasions including when steam users specifically gave them 70,000 signatures in ONE day on their petition to remove No Mercy, which worked.

Im not sure is being outed as sexist, hypocrites, both misogynists and misandrists, and worst of all, pedophile supporters is a "win"

Hell i just remembered they also got outed as Bigots who hate Homosexuality.

Τελευταία επεξεργασία από Dollmaker; 24 Ιουλ, 15:09

EGS innocent angle (126 IQ) 24 Ιουλ, 15:17

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Dollmaker:
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από EGS innocent angle (126 IQ):
They went follower-only on twitter, that's about all I see. And they now have a bigger following and income than they ever had before, also this only one of dozens of accomplishments they've made. They actually can't win any harder. The "general public" literally supported them on several occasions including when steam users specifically gave them 70,000 signatures in ONE day on their petition to remove No Mercy, which worked.
Im not sure is being outed as sexist, hypocrites, both misogynists and misandrists, and worst of all, pedophile supporters is a "win"

Hell i just remembered they also got outed as Bigots who hate Homosexuality.

And I'm sure you have lots of evidence to back all that up right?

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Dollmaker 24 Ιουλ, 15:21

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από EGS innocent angle (126 IQ):
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Dollmaker:
Im not sure is being outed as sexist, hypocrites, both misogynists and misandrists, and worst of all, pedophile supporters is a "win"

Hell i just remembered they also got outed as Bigots who hate Homosexuality.
And I'm sure you have lots of evidence to back all that up right?

Just check Savvy's twitter account, shes doing god's work on destroying them.

Even a Japanese Politician took notice of her efforts.

https://x.com/MadamSavvy?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

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EGS innocent angle (126 IQ) 24 Ιουλ, 15:29

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Dollmaker:
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από EGS innocent angle (126 IQ):
And I'm sure you have lots of evidence to back all that up right?
Just check Savvy's twitter account, shes doing god's work on destroying them.

Even a Japanese Politician took notice of her efforts.

https://x.com/MadamSavvy?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Skimmed it and don't see anything relative. Just post direct links if there is actual evidence. There isn't though, it's a false narrative from a twitter no-namer trying to farm drama.

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Dollmaker 24 Ιουλ, 15:34

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από EGS innocent angle (126 IQ):
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Just check Savvy's twitter account, shes doing god's work on destroying them.

Even a Japanese Politician took notice of her efforts.

https://x.com/MadamSavvy?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Skimmed it and don't see anything relative. Just post direct links if there is actual evidence. There isn't though, it's a false narrative from a twitter no-namer trying to farm drama.

How about you do some research then?

I already gave you where to look.

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Segert 24 Ιουλ, 23:01

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από GrimAtrament:
Soooo you want a social policy that creates a law that interferes directly with Laissez-faire. To prevent corporations from dictating the customers purchases?
Sounds great welcome aboard comrade.

Im against Laissez-faire. So yes.

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EGS innocent angle (126 IQ) 24 Ιουλ, 23:02

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Dollmaker:
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από EGS innocent angle (126 IQ):
Skimmed it and don't see anything relative. Just post direct links if there is actual evidence. There isn't though, it's a false narrative from a twitter no-namer trying to farm drama.
How about you do some research then?

I already gave you where to look.

I did, there's no proof to back up any of your claims on that page.

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