Valve needs to grow a pair. (PP Censorship)

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802Trip 25 Jul @ 2:30pm

Valve needs to grow a pair. (PP Censorship)

I don't say this as an insult. I've always been a huge supporter of steam. They have dominated the PC gaming community since the beginning. They do what they want, and generally dont give a ♥♥♥♥ what anyone else says or does. until now apparently...

-Payment processing censorship has entered the chat.

Valve - Okay...we submit due to corporate greed.

How did they bend over so quick to this without even saying anything?! Your users would rather have seen you remove the ability to use credit cards or any form of PP forcing censorship and seen an increase in steam cards to buy at the store for cash. That would be a huge chunk of revenue for them if you stopped using their PP.

I know it would hurt for you guys, but it would also hurt them. You cant just let a PP ruin your BUT. (Beautiful Ultimate Team). Show a little bit of fight. Look at epic games. I HATE epic games with a passion. I despise them and every dev that tried going exclusive with them. BUT THEY STOOD UP FOR THEM SELVES WHEN APPLE TRIED TO SCREW THEM! It took years but they WON!

GROW A PAIR AND STAND UP FOR YOURSELVES!

I dont care about adult games. But whats next? Guns? Blood? Violence in general?

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ChuTheMan 25 Jul @ 2:37pm

what should valve have done? legit question
refused and financially killed themself?
Or maybe just comply for now and then later take it to court if there really is a case?

Crashed 25 Jul @ 2:40pm

Spam will only make the situation worse, and could backfire badly.

C²C^Guyver |NZB| 25 Jul @ 2:44pm

Originally posted by 802Trip:
I don't say this as an insult. I've always been a huge supporter of steam. They have dominated the PC gaming community since the beginning. They do what they want, and generally dont give a ♥♥♥♥ what anyone else says or does. until now apparently...

-Payment processing censorship has entered the chat.

Valve - Okay...we submit due to corporate greed.

How did they bend over so quick to this without even saying anything?! Your users would rather have seen you remove the ability to use credit cards or any form of PP forcing censorship and seen an increase in steam cards to buy at the store for cash. That would be a huge chunk of revenue for them if you stopped using their PP.

I know it would hurt for you guys, but it would also hurt them. You cant just let a PP ruin your BUT. (Beautiful Ultimate Team). Show a little bit of fight. Look at epic games. I HATE epic games with a passion. I despise them and every dev that tried going exclusive with them. BUT THEY STOOD UP FOR THEM SELVES WHEN APPLE TRIED TO SCREW THEM! It took years but they WON!

GROW A PAIR AND STAND UP FOR YOURSELVES!

I dont care about adult games. But whats next? Guns? Blood? Violence in general?

Wrong. They complied, so that they could continue to do business. Does it make sense to risk losing billions over niche games that the majority isn't buying or make more sense to remove the games so Valve can continue to sell the others?

How are you speaking as to what 133 million other users would have Valve do?

Epic games pays devs so they can offer "free" games on their platform. They're a loss leader. So, hardly an example of a good business strategy. They literally lose money on a daily basis.

EDIT:
Thanks for the free points!!!

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Brian9824 25 Jul @ 2:48pm

Originally posted by 802Trip:
Your users would rather have seen you remove the ability to use credit cards or any form of PP forcing censorship and seen an increase in steam cards to buy at the store for cash.

Speak for yourself, i'd MUCH rather they remove a handful of cringe worthy porn games then eliminate the ability to use credit cards. Credit cards are the most common form of payment, most people are not going to run to the store (if they even have stores that sell cards) everytime they want to buy a game, nor are they likely to keep large balances.

The result would be them going to other stores like Epic.

Last edited by Brian9824; 25 Jul @ 3:57pm

802Trip 25 Jul @ 3:56pm

20 years from now all these people are going to be complaining about the over censorship of games. Dont do anything when it starts, and then complain when i starts to effect you down the road.

Shreddy 25 Jul @ 4:09pm

Originally posted by 802Trip:
20 years from now all these people are going to be complaining about the over censorship of games. Dont do anything when it starts, and then complain when i starts to effect you down the road.

Game censorship isn’t something that started yesterday and has already been happening for longer than 20 years.

Shreddy 25 Jul @ 4:11pm

Originally posted by Brian9824:
Originally posted by 802Trip:
Your users would rather have seen you remove the ability to use credit cards or any form of PP forcing censorship and seen an increase in steam cards to buy at the store for cash.

Speak for yourself, i'd MUCH rather they remove a handful of cringe worthy porn games then eliminate the ability to use credit cards. Credit cards are the most common form of payment, most people are not going to run to the store (if they even have stores that sell cards) everytime they want to buy a game, nor are they likely to keep large balances.

The result would be them going to other stores like Epic.

Yeah I tend to agree with this, I’m not happy that credit card companies are capitulating to activists but I’m not shedding any tears over degenerate porn games being removed from a family friendly platform either.

C²C^Guyver |NZB| 25 Jul @ 5:13pm

Originally posted by 802Trip:
20 years from now all these people are going to be complaining about the over censorship of games. Dont do anything when it starts, and then complain when i starts to effect you down the road.

Dude, they had these types of games in the '70s.... on the Atari 2600 no less.

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JamesF0790 25 Jul @ 5:19pm

To point out it would involve losing access to credit cards, debit cards and paypal given they're involved here. We're talking the ENORMOUS majority of payments becoming impossible

Leonardo Da Pinchi 25 Jul @ 5:27pm

Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:
Originally posted by 802Trip:
20 years from now all these people are going to be complaining about the over censorship of games. Dont do anything when it starts, and then complain when i starts to effect you down the road.
Dude, they had these types of games in the '70s.... on the Atari 2600 no less.

And certain groups have had it out for video games just as long. Fortunately, games are classified as Art so unless that classification is overruled, we won't ever see the "end" of gaming at least here in the US.

But that doesn't stop certain bible thumping zealots for trying.

However, I'm pretty sure credit cards account for a majority of the purchases on the platform. Which, Steam being a business, it's pretty obvious what the choice would be.

It's not up to Steam to fight our battle for us, people need to be writing their card companies, and government representatives.

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KarlThorsten89 25 Jul @ 5:30pm

Yeah, just like JamesF0790 says.
Had Valve refused, then MasterCard, VISA and PayPal would've cut off Valve and Steam completely. That is indeed the MAJORITY of payment processing used by people on Steam. If they get removed, Valve collapses insanely quickly. They can't do ANYTHING right now.
MasterCard and VISA owns 69% of all Credit Cards in circulation, and dominate Debit Cards in USA. All that, instantly removed. Valve would either collapse completely, or lose the overwhelming majority of their revenue.

The credit card and payment companies WANTED TO DO THIS, they have been for a long time, and with Collective Shout being loud enough, they got a 'legal reason' to impose their demands.
And they want to do the same everywhere possible, and they'll use activist groups like Collective Shout to get a "good reason" to destroy whatever they want.

Last edited by KarlThorsten89; 25 Jul @ 7:08pm

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daicon 25 Jul @ 6:00pm

Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:
Wrong. They complied, so that they could continue to do business. Does it make sense to risk losing billions over niche games that the majority isn't buying or make more sense to remove the games so Valve can continue to sell the others?

How are you speaking as to what 133 million other users would have Valve do?

Epic games pays devs so they can offer "free" games on their platform. They're a loss leader. So, hardly an example of a good business strategy. They literally lose money on a daily basis.

EDIT:
Thanks for the free points!!!

I don't like this notion these are all niche inconsequential games.

Not like I have hard data but paying attention to the "Popular New Releases" section compared to the "All New Releases", It seems like roughly an adult title has a 75% chance of showing up in the Popular section, where on average a SFW game usually has roughly a 25% chance of finding itself there, whatever Steam's metric for it is. People on Steam are buying adult games and they're consistently selling well.

I understand Valve needing to comply but I do think they should seek legal action

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C²C^Guyver |NZB| 25 Jul @ 6:37pm

Originally posted by daicon:
Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:
Wrong. They complied, so that they could continue to do business. Does it make sense to risk losing billions over niche games that the majority isn't buying or make more sense to remove the games so Valve can continue to sell the others?

How are you speaking as to what 133 million other users would have Valve do?

Epic games pays devs so they can offer "free" games on their platform. They're a loss leader. So, hardly an example of a good business strategy. They literally lose money on a daily basis.

EDIT:
Thanks for the free points!!!
I don't like this notion these are all niche inconsequential games.

Not like I have hard data but paying attention to the "Popular New Releases" section compared to the "All New Releases", It seems like roughly an adult title has a 75% chance of showing up in the Popular section, where on average a SFW game usually has roughly a 25% chance of finding itself there, whatever Steam's metric for it is. People on Steam are buying adult games and they're consistently selling well.

I understand Valve needing to comply but I do think they should seek legal action

Niche

denoting products, services, or interests that appeal to a small, specialized section of the population.

There's over 111,000 games on Steam. The games they removed are definitely niche....

Last edited by C²C^Guyver |NZB|; 25 Jul @ 6:38pm

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Jololo 25 Jul @ 8:10pm

Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:
Dude, they had these types of games in the '70s.... on the Atari 2600 no less.

And the one with rape got banned.

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Pocahawtness 25 Jul @ 9:19pm

I have said this a lot recently -

This is not really about censorship. It is about children, age verification and angry parents.

The simple truth is that Valve made a huge mistake bringing inappropriate titles in to their product, and sooner or later irate parents were bound to act. The banks do not want to get caught up in that mess.

Steam does not have a system of robust age verification and governments and parents were going to act. It was just a matter of time.

Some people may not like that, but then the Internet has gotten away with too much for too long. That WILL change. If parents are one thing - they are amazingly protective of their children.

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