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Saii 26 Jul @ 2:35am
I sleep soundly knowing Visa is protecting me from bad taste
Just want to give a huge thank you to steam and its financial overlords for finally taking a stand… not against broken games, not against scams, but against the real enemy: letting customers decide what they want.

Sure, 90% of those banned games are creepy, low-effort trash I wouldn’t touch with a hazmat suit , but hey, that’s not the point. The point is now financial institutions can unofficially dictate what content is "acceptable" on the biggest PC gaming platform.

We’ve apparently decided it’s cool for payment processors. the folks who can't even keep fraud detection working right, to act as moral gatekeepers for digital marketplaces. Forget laws, forget content guidelines, forget free expression....all that really matters is whether or not Mastercard / Visa or Paypal approves of your game’s vibe.

Honestly, I love this new system. Who needs principles when you’ve got a corporate risk assessment algorithm calling the shots? Can’t wait until they apply this logic to books, movies, and art galleries. I’m sure we’ll all be much safer from... whatever it is they're protecting us from. Taste? Opinions? Autonomy?

Anyway, thanks again for this bold new era where banks decide culture. What could possibly go wrong?

BTW/ Is Gabe on holiday? Can't believe he's ok with this.
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Originally posted by Draug:
Make sure to properly "thank" your overlords.... I hear they appreciate e-mails and phonecalls.

Taken from another thread on the subject...
Visa Inc.
https://investor.visa.com/corporate-governance/contact-the-board/default.aspx#emailForm
Phone: 1-800-847-2911 OR +1-303-967-1096 (international)
Mail: c/o the Chairman, CEO, General Counsel or Corporate Secretary, P.O. Box 8999, San Francisco, CA 94128
businessconduct@visa.com
globalmedia@visa.com

Mastercard Inc.
https://b2b.mastercard.com/contact-us/
Corporate Office: 914-249-2000
Operations Center in Missouri: 636-722-6100
investor.relations@mastercard.com

PayPal Holdings, Inc.
https://x.com/AskPayPal
Phone: 1-888-221-1161
Mail: PayPal Headquarters, 2211 North First Street, San Jose, California 95131
EEOMALegalSpecialist@paypal.com <---HERE!!
executiveescalations@paypal.com
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Elite 26 Jul @ 2:57am 
Wechat expansion and kicking ass. :steamhappy:
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hWhiteMan 26 Jul @ 3:15am 
whats up? MONEY, MONEY, MONEY!
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PocketYoda 26 Jul @ 4:23am 
A shame Visa can't protect you from actual bad actors..
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BJWyler 26 Jul @ 4:31am 
Originally posted by Saii:
BTW/ Is Gabe on holiday? Can't believe he's ok with this.
What makes you think he is OK with this.
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AdCazzum 26 Jul @ 4:32am 
I don't know if Steam can even be at fault for listening to them and pulling the games. If those companies threatened to stop supporting Steam what are they supposed to do when there's little to no alternative? Where they just supposed to not bend over and go out of business instead?
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Saii 26 Jul @ 4:44am 
Originally posted by AdCazzum:
I don't know if Steam can even be at fault for listening to them and pulling the games. If those companies threatened to stop supporting Steam what are they supposed to do when there's little to no alternative? Where they just supposed to not bend over and go out of business instead?

Bending over without a fight is very weak, don't you think?

Besides, it's not like Valve is poor so they won't go out of business quickly and most countries apart from the USA have other payment processors. So there are definitely options.

In any case, this makes Valve seem very weak and unreliable.
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BJWyler 26 Jul @ 7:12pm 
Originally posted by Saii:
Originally posted by AdCazzum:
I don't know if Steam can even be at fault for listening to them and pulling the games. If those companies threatened to stop supporting Steam what are they supposed to do when there's little to no alternative? Where they just supposed to not bend over and go out of business instead?

Bending over without a fight is very weak, don't you think?

Besides, it's not like Valve is poor so they won't go out of business quickly and most countries apart from the USA have other payment processors. So there are definitely options.

In any case, this makes Valve seem very weak and unreliable.
It's called picking and choosing your battles, and when you run a business, you are always careful about what battles you choose.

But what hell, it ain't your money, right? It's always easy to be the armchair quarterback when it's not your money you're spending.
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Draug 26 Jul @ 7:33pm 
Make sure to properly "thank" your overlords.... I hear they appreciate e-mails and phonecalls.

Taken from another thread on the subject...
Visa Inc.
https://investor.visa.com/corporate-governance/contact-the-board/default.aspx#emailForm
Phone: 1-800-847-2911 OR +1-303-967-1096 (international)
Mail: c/o the Chairman, CEO, General Counsel or Corporate Secretary, P.O. Box 8999, San Francisco, CA 94128
businessconduct@visa.com
globalmedia@visa.com

Mastercard Inc.
https://b2b.mastercard.com/contact-us/
Corporate Office: 914-249-2000
Operations Center in Missouri: 636-722-6100
investor.relations@mastercard.com

PayPal Holdings, Inc.
https://x.com/AskPayPal
Phone: 1-888-221-1161
Mail: PayPal Headquarters, 2211 North First Street, San Jose, California 95131
EEOMALegalSpecialist@paypal.com <---HERE!!
executiveescalations@paypal.com
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Draug 26 Jul @ 7:39pm 
looks like somebody got hacked. spamming vile messages does nothing except get the account banned.
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Draug 26 Jul @ 7:43pm 
Who knew posting the contact info for visa and MC would get the bots all fired up attempting to get the thread taken down?
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Knee 26 Jul @ 7:54pm 
Originally posted by Draug:
looks like somebody got hacked. spamming vile messages does nothing except get the account banned.
I assume they’re hijacked accounts doing this on purpose.
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tnu 26 Jul @ 8:21pm 
https://youtu.be/gHHm8xlrWrM
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miakisfan 27 Jul @ 1:49pm 
Originally posted by Saii:
Just want to give a huge thank you to steam and its financial overlords for finally taking a stand… not against broken games, not against scams, but against the real enemy: letting customers decide what they want.

Sure, 90% of those banned games are creepy, low-effort trash I wouldn’t touch with a hazmat suit , but hey, that’s not the point. The point is now financial institutions can unofficially dictate what content is "acceptable" on the biggest PC gaming platform.

We’ve apparently decided it’s cool for payment processors. the folks who can't even keep fraud detection working right, to act as moral gatekeepers for digital marketplaces. Forget laws, forget content guidelines, forget free expression....all that really matters is whether or not Mastercard / Visa or Paypal approves of your game’s vibe.

Honestly, I love this new system. Who needs principles when you’ve got a corporate risk assessment algorithm calling the shots? Can’t wait until they apply this logic to books, movies, and art galleries. I’m sure we’ll all be much safer from... whatever it is they're protecting us from. Taste? Opinions? Autonomy?

Anyway, thanks again for this bold new era where banks decide culture. What could possibly go wrong?

BTW/ Is Gabe on holiday? Can't believe he's ok with this.

Its a zero account ... i.e. yet another Liberal lunatic ruining the world for the rest of us.

You don't understand how freedom or the lack thereof works. You will, though, when it finally comes for you.

That is the funniest part of all this. You think it can't touch you. but if it can touch others it will eventually work its way towards you.

The shortsightedness of these people simply astounds ...
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Saii 27 Jul @ 8:27pm 
Originally posted by miakisfan:

Its a zero account ... i.e. yet another Liberal lunatic ruining the world for the rest of us.

You don't understand how freedom or the lack thereof works. You will, though, when it finally comes for you.

That is the funniest part of all this. You think it can't touch you. but if it can touch others it will eventually work its way towards you.

The shortsightedness of these people simply astounds ...

What are you talking about?
What is a zero account?
And I'm not American, but sure as hell not liberal.

You ever heard of sarcasm?
You're probably younger than my steam account, hence not getting my message.
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videomike_Ultimate_Plushie 27 Jul @ 8:45pm 
You baited me with the title, had me until the second half. Well done you glorious bastard.

Jokes aside I actually wonder what Gabe has to say about this. He's not the hero people think he is IMO but I agree I don't think he'd be fine with this.
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