I don’t expect Valve to stand up to the payment processors in any direct and self-sabotaging way.

If they are currently planning to spend any money in the political sphere, I’d recommend they do so with the interest of making coercion by payment processors less legal, therefore making persuasion of payment processors to coerce censorship an unviable backdoor to enforce the extralegal desires of any given special interest group.

Valve is not our girlfriend. They are a business which happens to operate on a model which prioritizes customer satisfaction So with the payment processors running wild, they're caught between a rock and a hard place. If the payment processors aren't satiated with Valve removing the games they already removed, it'll eventually start impacting customer satisfaction. The big question is: how many customers' satisfaction will be damaged in the tug-of-war between Valve and the payment processors?

The community knows several specific youtubers keep making videos about this, like the false claims "VaLVe dOeSnT oWn StEaM" which is so absolutely false because clearly Valve quite literally owns and operates Steam, but business to business contracts may influence business decisions including products not to carry.
There's dozens of threads, and youtubers trying to make ragebait-clickbait videos to get people to flood the steam forums on behalf of pedophilic, rape and incest content is a very interesting thing for the "content creators" to do, but these youtubers claims of "its all adult content!" or "theyre coming for your games next!" is just fearmongering causing needless waves of misinformation.

Further government regulation of payment processors is acceptable if necessary to actualize a less fettered creative market.

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

The community knows several specific youtubers keep making videos about this, like the false claims "VaLVe dOeSnT oWn StEaM" which is so absolutely false because clearly Valve quite literally owns and operates Steam, but business to business contracts may influence business decisions including products not to carry.
There's dozens of threads, and youtubers trying to make ragebait-clickbait videos to get people to flood the steam forums on behalf of pedophilic, rape and incest content is a very interesting thing for the "content creators" to do, but these youtubers claims of "its all adult content!" or "theyre coming for your games next!" is just fearmongering causing needless waves of misinformation. :DukeExplosion:

If you are fine with payment processors being able to dictate what a store is allowed to sell then you need a reality check.
Even worse when they are doing it because of the misinformation of an activist group.

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

on behalf of pedophilic, rape and incest content

You keep spamming this in every thread like shaming language that wins the argument, while ignoring the actual issues being raised.

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

theyre coming for your games next!" is just fearmongering causing needless waves of misinformation. :DukeExplosion:

Fearmongering? On the same day this happened some countries started new pron laws with the excuse of "won't someone think of the children", and in less than a day were using it to censor other things like protests and opposing opinions. Once people who like power get it, they like the feeling of having power over others and don't like to give it up. The reasons for it are almost incidental.

Originally posted by Wolfgang:

If you are fine with payment processors being able to dictate what a store is allowed to sell then you need a reality check.

It's just removing pedophilic, rape and incest "games" from brand association, Valve already tends to prevent sales of pedophilic games or bans them if they weren't caught in the listing phase, long before the visa/mc bit. youtubers ran misinformation based upon valves vague terms but left out visa/mcs very specific terms.

Originally posted by Wolfgang:

Even worse when they are doing it because of the misinformation of an activist group.

The same misinformation where everyone is claiming they'll come for everything else next or the whole slippery-slope fallacy.

Originally posted by Mool:

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

on behalf of pedophilic, rape and incest content

You keep spamming this in every thread like shaming language that wins the argument, while ignoring the actual issues being raised.

There is no issue with removing pedophilic, rape and incest "content" from a video game store. Complete non-issue. People and companies want no association with that, those that want to consume the last of those 2 can go to proper sites that accept their payment methods.

Originally posted by Mool:

Fearmongering? On the same day this happened some countries started new pron laws with the excuse of "won't someone think of the children", and in less than a day were using it to censor other things like protests and opposing opinions. Once people who like power get it, they like the feeling of having power over others and don't like to give it up. The reasons for it are almost incidental.

Things that were going to happen regardless of supposed involved "Activists", especially in the eu and uk, which may also be influenced by changing demographics that are being catered to.
Yes, fearmongering "theyre coming for it all! your games are next!" is "content creators" creating needless misinformed fear.

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

The community knows several specific youtubers keep making videos about this, like the false claims "VaLVe dOeSnT oWn StEaM" which is so absolutely false because clearly Valve quite literally owns and operates Steam, but business to business contracts may influence business decisions including products not to carry.
There's dozens of threads, and youtubers trying to make ragebait-clickbait videos to get people to flood the steam forums on behalf of pedophilic, rape and incest content is a very interesting thing for the "content creators" to do, but these youtubers claims of "its all adult content!" or "theyre coming for your games next!" is just fearmongering causing needless waves of misinformation. :DukeExplosion:

You do realize those who cry the loudest about the so called "Pedophilic, incest, and rape." content are the ones who have the biggest skeletons in their closet, right?

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

Originally posted by Wolfgang:

If you are fine with payment processors being able to dictate what a store is allowed to sell then you need a reality check.

It's just removing pedophilic, rape and incest "games" from brand association, Valve already tends to prevent sales of pedophilic games or bans them if they weren't caught in the listing phase, long before the visa/mc bit. youtubers ran misinformation based upon valves vague terms but left out visa/mcs very specific terms.

Originally posted by Wolfgang:

Even worse when they are doing it because of the misinformation of an activist group.

The same misinformation where everyone is claiming they'll come for everything else next or the whole slippery-slope fallacy.

Originally posted by Mool:

You keep spamming this in every thread like shaming language that wins the argument, while ignoring the actual issues being raised.

There is no issue with removing pedophilic, rape and incest "content" from a video game store. Complete non-issue. People and companies want no association with that, those that want to consume the last of those 2 can go to proper sites that accept their payment methods.

Originally posted by Mool:

Fearmongering? On the same day this happened some countries started new pron laws with the excuse of "won't someone think of the children", and in less than a day were using it to censor other things like protests and opposing opinions. Once people who like power get it, they like the feeling of having power over others and don't like to give it up. The reasons for it are almost incidental.

Things that were going to happen regardless of supposed involved "Activists", especially in the eu and uk, which may also be influenced by changing demographics that are being catered to.
Yes, fearmongering "theyre coming for it all! your games are next!" is "content creators" creating needless misinformed fear.

Your answer to the first point just highlights my second. Turn off the chatGPT.

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

Originally posted by Wolfgang:

If you are fine with payment processors being able to dictate what a store is allowed to sell then you need a reality check.

It's just removing pedophilic, rape and incest "games" from brand association, Valve already tends to prevent sales of pedophilic games or bans them if they weren't caught in the listing phase, long before the visa/mc bit. youtubers ran misinformation based upon valves vague terms but left out visa/mcs very specific terms.

Terms that can change at any point for no reason at all. Yeah, seems like a good idea to have those outside have full influence on what you can sell and can't because they can hold you hostage. But hey, since incest is so bad now, I guess history books which cover European royals are now also banned. Cause they had a lot of incest in order to keep their bloodline "clean". Or donating to Wikipedia is now not working because they have an article about incest. Oh, wait. That isn't the case because thier rules are completely arbitrary! You don't need to be a genius to see the massive holes in the argument of "they only go after these specific things" because they are doing it very spotty and inconsistent.

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

Originally posted by Wolfgang:

Even worse when they are doing it because of the misinformation of an activist group.

The same misinformation where everyone is claiming they'll come for everything else next or the whole slippery-slope fallacy.

So that group is not also against games like GTA, BG3 and others? They already got the small finger, they will try to take the whole hand and arm.

Originally posted by Zidane:

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

The community knows several specific youtubers keep making videos about this, like the false claims "VaLVe dOeSnT oWn StEaM" which is so absolutely false because clearly Valve quite literally owns and operates Steam, but business to business contracts may influence business decisions including products not to carry.
There's dozens of threads, and youtubers trying to make ragebait-clickbait videos to get people to flood the steam forums on behalf of pedophilic, rape and incest content is a very interesting thing for the "content creators" to do, but these youtubers claims of "its all adult content!" or "theyre coming for your games next!" is just fearmongering causing needless waves of misinformation. :DukeExplosion:

You do realize those who cry the loudest about the so called "Pedophilic, incest, and rape." content are the ones who have the biggest skeletons in their closet, right?

Of course; that’s why he has his account privated.

He knows what he’s trying to make acceptable behavior. He just thinks that fascism he’s smugly cheering will always be downstream from himself.

Originally posted by Zidane:

You do realize those who cry the loudest about the so called "Pedophilic, incest, and rape." content are the ones who have the biggest skeletons in their closet, right?

That is the content they have issues being associated with, so that would not be applicable at all. I understand some people are upset about Valves, EU, UK, Visa/MCs various decisions - but one would more correctly presume those upset about such content being removed, would have the skeletons in the closet.

Originally posted by Sciencemile:

Of course; that’s why he has his account privated.

He knows what he’s trying to make acceptable behavior. He just thinks that fascism he’s smugly cheering will always be downstream from himself.

My account has almost always been Friends-Only for the longest time due to not wanting spam bots due to the item inventory.

Originally posted by Mool:

Your answer to the first point just highlights my second. Turn off the chatGPT.

I don't use AI to make posts.

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

Originally posted by Wolfgang:

If you are fine with payment processors being able to dictate what a store is allowed to sell then you need a reality check.

It's just removing pedophilic, rape and incest "games" from brand association, Valve already tends to prevent sales of pedophilic games or bans them if they weren't caught in the listing phase, long before the visa/mc bit. youtubers ran misinformation based upon valves vague terms but left out visa/mcs very specific terms.

Originally posted by Wolfgang:

Even worse when they are doing it because of the misinformation of an activist group.

The same misinformation where everyone is claiming they'll come for everything else next or the whole slippery-slope fallacy.

Originally posted by Mool:

You keep spamming this in every thread like shaming language that wins the argument, while ignoring the actual issues being raised.

There is no issue with removing pedophilic, rape and incest "content" from a video game store. Complete non-issue. People and companies want no association with that, those that want to consume the last of those 2 can go to proper sites that accept their payment methods.

Originally posted by Mool:

Fearmongering? On the same day this happened some countries started new pron laws with the excuse of "won't someone think of the children", and in less than a day were using it to censor other things like protests and opposing opinions. Once people who like power get it, they like the feeling of having power over others and don't like to give it up. The reasons for it are almost incidental.

Things that were going to happen regardless of supposed involved "Activists", especially in the eu and uk, which may also be influenced by changing demographics that are being catered to.
Yes, fearmongering "theyre coming for it all! your games are next!" is "content creators" creating needless misinformed fear.

And remember, this group goes after mainstream games like Detroit, GTA V... -.-

Infact GTA V is like the 'softest' of gta's.

And they contain much less severe pictures then BG3/CP2077...

XD

Originally posted by Sciencemile:

Originally posted by Zidane:

You do realize those who cry the loudest about the so called "Pedophilic, incest, and rape." content are the ones who have the biggest skeletons in their closet, right?

Of course; that’s why he has his account privated.

He knows what he’s trying to make acceptable behavior. He just thinks that fascism he’s smugly cheering will always be downstream from himself.

Could you tell me the difference between a profile that is set to private/friends only and one that has their games set to private?

I think that hiding only the games on a profile tells a whole different story...

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

The community knows several specific youtubers keep making videos about this, like the false claims "VaLVe dOeSnT oWn StEaM" which is so absolutely false because clearly Valve quite literally owns and operates Steam, but business to business contracts may influence business decisions including products not to carry.
There's dozens of threads, and youtubers trying to make ragebait-clickbait videos to get people to flood the steam forums on behalf of pedophilic, rape and incest content is a very interesting thing for the "content creators" to do, but these youtubers claims of "its all adult content!" or "theyre coming for your games next!" is just fearmongering causing needless waves of misinformation. :DukeExplosion:

See, that's the thing, there's some games with veery intresting themes, that don't fall under any of those things, and my question is, how can we trust that someone won't use this as a precedent to incite censorship on those harmless things?

That's what you don't get. "It'S jUsT FiCtIoN" doesn't change the fact that these things are disgusting, but "it's just fiction" is a hell of a more substantial argument when people are trying to do things that can give them the power to go from an inch to a mile.

What I'm trying to say is, I don't trust people in a position of power to draw a line or make sure their successors do so as well. This attempt to ban unethical NSFW content is not coming from a genuine place, so stop trying to support these people.

And stop throwing out buzzwords like pe*o and r8p and incest. Because the people that are trying to get the precedent to censor people don't are about the children, or those things; they are just using those things as an excuse and shield to deflect critisism, and a weapon to slander people, which you yourself have done by insinuating that people who would rather the compromise of disgusting content that isn't even real and their freedoms, as opposed to getting rid of content they themselves likely don't support, then having those same people use it to dictate what other people consume, as having "skeletons in their closet"