maybe they wanted those games gone and this was a good excuse

I wonder how many thread we really need about this. The forum is gettng annoying to navigate with all those people tripping ball.

Originally posted by Thermal Lance:

I wonder how many thread we really need about this. The forum is gettng annoying to navigate with all those people tripping ball.

Meh, "content creators" probably are making a huge amount of vids about them, so we can expect teh clickbait crowd to keep on making threads with poorly informed opinions.

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

Originally posted by Thermal Lance:

I wonder how many thread we really need about this. The forum is gettng annoying to navigate with all those people tripping ball.

Meh, "content creators" probably are making a huge amount of vids about them, so we can expect teh clickbait crowd to keep on making threads with poorly informed opinions.

It is almost as if we need a forum titled "Clickbait" or "The current outrage du jour" to keep all the trash out of forums actually used for discussion. Kidna like the "New to Steam" forum (which is pretty much completely & entirely crap) or the VAC forum (which got its purpose in theory, but is still almost completely crap in practice).

Originally posted by ReBoot:

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

Meh, "content creators" probably are making a huge amount of vids about them, so we can expect teh clickbait crowd to keep on making threads with poorly informed opinions.

It is almost as if we need a forum titled "Clickbait" or "The current outrage du jour" to keep all the trash out of forums actually used for discussion. Kidna like the "New to Steam" forum (which is pretty much completely & entirely crap) or the VAC forum (which got its purpose in theory, but is still almost completely crap in practice).

Agreed. Would be nice.

Originally posted by eram:

maybe they wanted those games gone and this was a good excuse

Why didn't Valve make Visa's guidelines their own instead of wording "Clause 15" the way it is?

Then there's Collective Shout's word on it: "We raised our objection to r*pe and inc*st games on Steam for months, and they ignored us for months. We approached payment processors because Steam did not respond to us."

Then there's just the fact I can't imagine an (actually useful) employee wanting their attention pulled away to re-audit adult games. Is YOUR time that valueless?(don't answer that)

Originally posted by Thermal Lance:

I wonder how many thread we really need about this. The forum is gettng annoying to navigate with all those people tripping ball.

Not as annoying as online stores or credit card companies dictating to me that I can't buy a legal product or forcing my already installed legal games to remove or change content of fictional stories while they simultaneously allow their cards to pay for real weapons that kill real people, or to pay for real porn, actual illegal activity and non-fictional sexual or physical abuse of real living things.

Forcing others to live by your fake double standard moral code is a two edged blade that will eventually cut the hand that wields it.

I guess you shouldn't kick the hornet's nest unless you are ready to be swarmed...

Originally posted by ZiffyHead:

Originally posted by Thermal Lance:

I wonder how many thread we really need about this. The forum is gettng annoying to navigate with all those people tripping ball.

Not as annoying as online stores or credit card companies dictating to me that I can't buy a legal product or forcing my already installed legal games to remove or change content of fictional stories while they simultaneously allow their cards to pay for real weapons that kill real people, or to pay for real porn, actual illegal activity and non-fictional sexual or physical abuse of real living things.

Forcing others to live by your fake double standard moral code is a two edged blade that will eventually cut the hand that wields it.

I guess you shouldn't kick the hornet's nest unless you are ready to be swarmed...

Wouldn't be much of a problem if the vast majority of those threads wasn't filled with misinformation and "ideas" built on ignorance of the situation.

Originally posted by Thermal Lance:

I wonder how many thread we really need about this. The forum is gettng annoying to navigate with all those people tripping ball.

The more the better

Originally posted by ReBoot:

It is almost as if we need a forum titled "Clickbait" or "The current outrage du jour"

Sounds like a good use of Off-topic

Yes, and the ones that pushed the payment processors into doing this defends Cuties. What did you expect, the usual pattern not occurring? lol

Rape/incest games can potentially be obscene content, which is illegal even in the USA...

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/obscenity

https://www.justice.gov/criminal/criminal-ceos/obscenity

Anyone make visa/MasterCard aware of such content, it makes sense why VISA/MC would choose to get that content removed because of the risk they hold if that content is found to be illegal.

VISA/MC could be held liable for it if it turns out it's illegal content.

https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladviceofftopic/comments/1m8oi92/comment/n527of5/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=usertext&utm_name=Steam&utm_term=1&utm_content=t1_n5hoq3m

Originally posted by WolfEisberg:

Rape/incest games can potentially be obscene content, which is illegal even in the USA...

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/obscenity

https://www.justice.gov/criminal/criminal-ceos/obscenity

Anyone make visa/MasterCard aware of such content, it makes sense why VISA/MC would choose to get that content removed because of the risk they hold if that content is found to be illegal.

VISA/MC could be held liable for it if it turns out it's illegal content.

https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladviceofftopic/comments/1m8oi92/comment/n527of5/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=usertext&utm_name=Steam&utm_term=1&utm_content=t1_n5hoq3m

Doesn't stop them from raking in the OF money~!

It's really sad to see so much great community-created content, art, and achievements getting wiped from steam.

Originally posted by WolfEisberg:

Rape/incest games can potentially be obscene content, which is illegal even in the USA...

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/obscenity

https://www.justice.gov/criminal/criminal-ceos/obscenity

Anyone make visa/MasterCard aware of such content, it makes sense why VISA/MC would choose to get that content removed because of the risk they hold if that content is found to be illegal.

VISA/MC could be held liable for it if it turns out it's illegal content.

https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladviceofftopic/comments/1m8oi92/comment/n527of5/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=usertext&utm_name=Steam&utm_term=1&utm_content=t1_n5hoq3m

Obscenity law isn't meant to be applied to as a contradiction to free-speech, which US Court jurisprudence has always favored protecting controversial content. Obscenity law is meant to be applied to unsolicited public displays, like mass-mailing or public performances. That's the context the "Miller Test" was born.

But take Visa's word for it, when they apply these standards to other countries (namely Japanese businesses) and say its to "protect the brand".