Would Valve kindly call out still safe to use payment processors, please?
By now, afaik, MC, Visa and paypal have changed their primary business models from payment services to censorship and professional cyber bullying.

As I am in no need for either, I'm abandoning MC and paypal, which on the other hand puts me in need of a new payment processor.

Naturally, I'd rather do business with service partners, who are willing to fulfill rather than judge my payments. Since those new business practices aren't mentioned in neither of the above mentioned corporations' promotion material though, I want to take the chance to hereby politely ask for their ransom mail recipients' experiences first.

These are my options:
EPS
paysafecard
Trustly
WebMoney
Sofortüberweisung
Skrill
JCB

Any advise will be appreciated.

BR
Last edited by Helvetson; 7 Aug @ 2:36pm
Originally posted by Chronocide:
Originally posted by Helvetson:
By now, afaik, MC, Visa and paypal have changed their primary business models from payment services to censorship and professional cyber bullying.

As I am in no need for either, I'm abandoning MC and paypal, which on the other hand puts me in need of a new payment processor.

Naturally, I'd rather do business with service partners, who are willing to fulfill rather than judge my payments. Since those new business practices aren't mentioned in neither of the above mentioned corporations' promotion material though, I want to take the chance to hereby politely ask for their ransom mail recipients' experiences first.

These are my options:
EPS
paysafecard
Trustly
WebMoney
Sofortüberweisung
Skrill
JCB

payment methods

Any advise will be appreciated.

BR
EPS rules: website displays Visa and Mastercard "marks" which means they comply to visa/mastercard policy

Paysafecard rules: appears to be a subgroup of the Bancorp bank, which does issue mastercards, so would be bound by their policy.

Trustly rules: Not finding anything specific to porn, but they are very clear that you have to be 100% honest about everything and that you cannot use the service for "unlawful" or for "abusive" purposes.

Webmoney rules: https://www.webmoney.com/eng/help/general/tabu.shtml

Sofortüberweisung....can't seem to find that one as an institution of their own. If you mean Stripe, Stripe specifically can't be used on steam because steam sells pornography: https://stripe.com/legal/restricted-businesses#prohibited-businesses

Skrill: Has visa cards, so they have to adhere to visa's policy.

JCB: I couldn't find anything specific, but since this is the Japan Credit Bureau, I would imagine they are subject to japan's rather harsh rules regarding pornography.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Japan#:~:text=Main%20article:%20Pornography%20in%20Japan,materials%20distributed%20by%20electronic%20means.

I did find that the JCB card has an interesting subset of rules on certain types of pornography
https://www.global.jcb/en/merchants/requirements/index.html which are unclear if they apply to computer games.
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nullable 7 Aug @ 12:02pm 
Answering the question in your topic title, they're all safe to use. Because Valve's definition of safety isn't going to revolve around your values or decisions as a customer of another business.
Originally posted by nullable:
Answering the question in your topic title, they're all safe to use. Because Valve's definition of safety isn't going to revolve around your values or decisions as a customer of another business.
This is disappointingly unhelpful.
However, I appreciate you pointing out that the term 'safe to use' probably doesn't quite express my concern.
T9 7 Aug @ 12:11pm 
Valve itself played the morale police multiple times
Sofortüberweisung in the list

this is pure comedy
Wolfpig 7 Aug @ 12:17pm 
Originally posted by Helvetson:
Since those new business practices aren't mentioned in neither of the above mentioned corporations' promotion material though, I

You know... Corporations usually wont write contractual stuff into their promotion materials.
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Chronocide 7 Aug @ 12:56pm 
Originally posted by Helvetson:
By now, afaik, MC, Visa and paypal have changed their primary business models from payment services to censorship and professional cyber bullying.

As I am in no need for either, I'm abandoning MC and paypal, which on the other hand puts me in need of a new payment processor.

Naturally, I'd rather do business with service partners, who are willing to fulfill rather than judge my payments. Since those new business practices aren't mentioned in neither of the above mentioned corporations' promotion material though, I want to take the chance to hereby politely ask for their ransom mail recipients' experiences first.

These are my options:
EPS
paysafecard
Trustly
WebMoney
Sofortüberweisung
Skrill
JCB

payment methods

Any advise will be appreciated.

BR
EPS rules: website displays Visa and Mastercard "marks" which means they comply to visa/mastercard policy

Paysafecard rules: appears to be a subgroup of the Bancorp bank, which does issue mastercards, so would be bound by their policy.

Trustly rules: Not finding anything specific to porn, but they are very clear that you have to be 100% honest about everything and that you cannot use the service for "unlawful" or for "abusive" purposes.

Webmoney rules: https://www.webmoney.com/eng/help/general/tabu.shtml

Sofortüberweisung....can't seem to find that one as an institution of their own. If you mean Stripe, Stripe specifically can't be used on steam because steam sells pornography: https://stripe.com/legal/restricted-businesses#prohibited-businesses

Skrill: Has visa cards, so they have to adhere to visa's policy.

JCB: I couldn't find anything specific, but since this is the Japan Credit Bureau, I would imagine they are subject to japan's rather harsh rules regarding pornography.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Japan#:~:text=Main%20article:%20Pornography%20in%20Japan,materials%20distributed%20by%20electronic%20means.

I did find that the JCB card has an interesting subset of rules on certain types of pornography
https://www.global.jcb/en/merchants/requirements/index.html which are unclear if they apply to computer games.
Originally posted by T9:
Sofortüberweisung in the list

this is pure comedy
It was kinda meant to be, yes.
Still with a grain of sincerity though, to have myself and others, who also don't want to continue supporting this kind of corporations, maybe informed a little better.
WOW!
Thank you, Sir, thank you sincerily for all your effort in researching all of this!

Originally posted by Chronocide:
EPS rules: website displays Visa and Mastercard "marks" which means they comply to visa/mastercard policy

Paysafecard rules: appears to be a subgroup of the Bancorp bank, which does issue mastercards, so would be bound by their policy.
Well, that's disappointing... I really thought one those might be a good alternative.

Originally posted by Chronocide:
Trustly rules: Not finding anything specific to porn, but they are very clear that you have to be 100% honest about everything and that you cannot use the service for "unlawful" or for "abusive" purposes.
Hm, I guess unlawful or abusive stuff is - and should be - hard to obtain anyway, no issues with that... Promising?

Originally posted by Chronocide:
Webmoney rules: https://www.webmoney.com/eng/help/general/tabu.shtml
Next to useless - what do they mean I can't buy human body parts and remains? :D:
But seriously, that's one damn long list of prohibitions there - take note of the Addendum 2:
https://www.webmoney.com/eng/legal/transfert.shtml

Originally posted by Chronocide:
Sofortüberweisung....can't seem to find that one as an institution of their own. If you mean Stripe, Stripe specifically can't be used on steam because steam sells pornography: https://stripe.com/legal/restricted-businesses#prohibited-businesses
I have some information on Sofortüberweisung myself, actually:
The original company was taken over by swedish payment service provider Klarna a decade ago. Klarna again was sentenced for violating the EU GDPR[www.edpb.europa.eu], and, at least in Germany and Austria, has often been subject to allegations of collecting and redistributing it's customers' bank account data[www.computerbild.de] (didn't find anything in English on this topic).
So, there's a bunch of different issues with Klarna, I'm afraid.

Originally posted by Chronocide:
JCB: I couldn't find anything specific, but since this is the Japan Credit Bureau, I would imagine they are subject to japan's rather harsh rules regarding pornography.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Japan#:~:text=Main%20article:%20Pornography%20in%20Japan,materials%20distributed%20by%20electronic%20means.

I did find that the JCB card has an interesting subset of rules on certain types of pornography
https://www.global.jcb/en/merchants/requirements/index.html which are unclear if they apply to computer games.
Well, since they offer their services on Steam I assume they don't... Or they simply don't know or care. I don't care about porn either, what I do care about though is them not having a "whatever might harm the brand" bs rule, that's something :cupup:

Again, thank you very much for your research, I hope all of this will help some people.
It certainly helped me.
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