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Shampoo 9 Aug @ 11:51am
Donald Trump’s new Executive Order has cracked down on credit card company overreach in the USA
It appears the credit card companies overplayed their hand, they are not the government, they don’t make laws and now the executive order cracks down on them taking down legal content based on “feelings”.

What the credit card companies are doing is wrong, they are doing cultural and economic imperialism, basically saying their culture is the only culture that is appropriate and they will debank you because your culture doesn’t matter and your laws don’t matter either.

This is why laissez faire doesn’t work, we need the government to step in to regulate the market forces, and this time the credit card companies lost.

The executive order basically indicates the credit card companies cannot debank anyone based on “feelings” and they have a limited amount of time to comply with the executive order or face lawsuits and fines, something that no company would want to deal with.

The credit card companies overplayed their hand this time, say no to cultural and economic imperialism, and it appears Japan is also starting to crack down on them as well.
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exitus.xyz 9 Aug @ 12:11pm 
Why would the goverment care about credit card companies restricting the games you play? After all it's just porn.
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T9 9 Aug @ 12:14pm 
Reading comprehension
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morrisseyshair 9 Aug @ 12:15pm 
Executive orders only affect government departments. They're not king's decrees. You don't know what you're talking about.
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Draug 9 Aug @ 12:15pm 
Originally posted by exitus.xyz:
Why would the goverment care about credit card companies restricting the games you play? After all it's just porn.

Because at the end of the day it is censorship, and trump is very anti-censorship
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exitus.xyz 9 Aug @ 12:16pm 
Originally posted by Draug:
Originally posted by exitus.xyz:
Why would the goverment care about credit card companies restricting the games you play? After all it's just porn.

Because at the end of the day it is censorship, and trump is very anti-censorship
My bad, I don't live in the US
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Sciencemile 9 Aug @ 12:20pm 
Do we have any examples of this EO being put into action against credit card companies? I know it's only been a few days but it's only been a few days so I'd give it a bit before we can say this does anything relevant to the discussion about who gets a say in steam's storefront curation.
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WolfEisberg 9 Aug @ 2:58pm 
Originally posted by Shampoo:
It appears the credit card companies overplayed their hand, they are not the government, they don’t make laws and now the executive order cracks down on them taking down legal content based on “feelings”.

What the credit card companies are doing is wrong, they are doing cultural and economic imperialism, basically saying their culture is the only culture that is appropriate and they will debank you because your culture doesn’t matter and your laws don’t matter either.

This is why laissez faire doesn’t work, we need the government to step in to regulate the market forces, and this time the credit card companies lost.

The executive order basically indicates the credit card companies cannot debank anyone based on “feelings” and they have a limited amount of time to comply with the executive order or face lawsuits and fines, something that no company would want to deal with.

The credit card companies overplayed their hand this time, say no to cultural and economic imperialism, and it appears Japan is also starting to crack down on them as well.

You are very much incorrect. The executive order is about going after denying of services due to Political stance or ideological stance, none of that applies to what happened to Steam/Itch. What happened to Steam/Itch is about reducing risk in providing services for illegal content. The kind of content that was removed has high risk of being illegal due to obscene laws. The payment processors have drew a line where they feel there is high risk of certain kinds of content could be seen as illegal by the Miller test. Payment processors are potentially held liable for the content on stores/sites that use their services, so they drew a line in the sand on where they feel the risk is too high.

This executive order has absolutely nothing to do with payment processors making rules to reduce their own legal liability risk.
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Draug 9 Aug @ 3:07pm 
Originally posted by Sciencemile:
Do we have any examples of this EO being put into action against credit card companies? I know it's only been a few days but it's only been a few days so I'd give it a bit before we can say this does anything relevant to the discussion about who gets a say in steam's storefront curation.

I don't think anything has been done yet in any regards to it yet for anything.
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Leandrix♡ 9 Aug @ 3:45pm 
Originally posted by WolfEisberg:
Originally posted by Shampoo:
It appears the credit card companies overplayed their hand, they are not the government, they don’t make laws and now the executive order cracks down on them taking down legal content based on “feelings”.

What the credit card companies are doing is wrong, they are doing cultural and economic imperialism, basically saying their culture is the only culture that is appropriate and they will debank you because your culture doesn’t matter and your laws don’t matter either.

This is why laissez faire doesn’t work, we need the government to step in to regulate the market forces, and this time the credit card companies lost.

The executive order basically indicates the credit card companies cannot debank anyone based on “feelings” and they have a limited amount of time to comply with the executive order or face lawsuits and fines, something that no company would want to deal with.

The credit card companies overplayed their hand this time, say no to cultural and economic imperialism, and it appears Japan is also starting to crack down on them as well.

You are very much incorrect. The executive order is about going after denying of services due to Political stance or ideological stance, none of that applies to what happened to Steam/Itch. What happened to Steam/Itch is about reducing risk in providing services for illegal content. The kind of content that was removed has high risk of being illegal due to obscene laws. The payment processors have drew a line where they feel there is high risk of certain kinds of content could be seen as illegal by the Miller test. Payment processors are potentially held liable for the content on stores/sites that use their services, so they drew a line in the sand on where they feel the risk is too high.

This executive order has absolutely nothing to do with payment processors making rules to reduce their own legal liability risk.
You're wrong. It does affect Visa and Mastercard. Now they need to explain with documents that it does affect the brand based on reports, not beliefs and politics
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WolfEisberg 9 Aug @ 4:01pm 
Originally posted by Leandrix♡:
Originally posted by WolfEisberg:

You are very much incorrect. The executive order is about going after denying of services due to Political stance or ideological stance, none of that applies to what happened to Steam/Itch. What happened to Steam/Itch is about reducing risk in providing services for illegal content. The kind of content that was removed has high risk of being illegal due to obscene laws. The payment processors have drew a line where they feel there is high risk of certain kinds of content could be seen as illegal by the Miller test. Payment processors are potentially held liable for the content on stores/sites that use their services, so they drew a line in the sand on where they feel the risk is too high.

This executive order has absolutely nothing to do with payment processors making rules to reduce their own legal liability risk.
You're wrong. It does affect Visa and Mastercard. Now they need to explain with documents that it does affect the brand based on reports, not beliefs and politics

I didn't say that MC/VISA wouldnt be affected by this EO, they would be if they are making decisions based on politics or ideological stances. what I said is that that this issue with Steam/Itch doesn't apply to this because it's not based on political and idelogical stance at all.

No Government agency is even going to look at this Steam/itch issue at all because it doesn't fit in the executive order .
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Chika Ogiue 9 Aug @ 4:26pm 
Originally posted by exitus.xyz:
Why would the goverment care about credit card companies restricting the games you play? After all it's just porn.

Right now, the US government doesn't care one bit. This EO is all about covering his own back -- it has nothing to do with censorship of fictional experiences.

The Japanese government, on the other hand, cares about the foreign-led attack on their constitution. It isn't just porn, they the payment processors are going after, after all.
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rawWwRrr 9 Aug @ 5:39pm 
Originally posted by Shampoo:
Donald Trump’s new Executive Order has cracked down on credit card company overreach in the USA.
No... it hasn't.
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wesnef 9 Aug @ 7:09pm 
Originally posted by Draug:
and trump is very anti-censorship

Funny joke. This admin has been the biggest source of censorship yet. (ditto with "free speech absolutist" Elon. Gotta love the hypocrisy.)
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Kaldrynth 9 Aug @ 7:53pm 
Originally posted by morrisseyshair:
Executive orders only affect government departments. They're not king's decrees. You don't know what you're talking about.


Neither do you apparently. Banks in the U.S. are regulated in part by the federal government. So executive orders may apply to them as well. While the order didn't go after Visa and Mastercard directly, their system relies on the banks. The order prevents the banks from using Visa and Mastercard's silly reputation based rules to refuse a company from doing legal business. This was exactly what happened to Steam. The payment processors quoted Mastercard's reputation/brand damaging rules to threaten cutting them off.

The EO mentions banks and other "financial institutions." While a payment processor isn't a financial institution in a regular sense, they do work closely with the banks, so sometimes financial regulations will apply to them as well. Whether this order will apply to them though, I'm not sure. Guess we'll find out in six months when it goes into effect.
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KrakenGreywolf 9 Aug @ 8:05pm 
Originally posted by wesnef:
Originally posted by Draug:
and trump is very anti-censorship

Funny joke. This admin has been the biggest source of censorship yet. (ditto with "free speech absolutist" Elon. Gotta love the hypocrisy.)

This. If you want to hear from someone with an actual degree in world history: The current administration of the US is arguably the most pro-censorship admin the US has ever seen. Inarguably the most pro-censorship admin in modern history.

And the EO isn’t going to affect Visa/Mastercard in regards to Steam/itch.io censorship anytime soon-if ever.
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