Would be cool if you could close Steam entirely while playing a singleplayer game.

Originally posted by Rage:

I've seen many people say steam is ♥♥♥♥ but never saying why. I thought we'd change that here because I'm curious why you think steam is bad and what they could do better, what changes they could be making etc. What are your thoughts?

Um,. really? Every time I have seen some neanderthal rants about how bad Steam is they have been very specific in how they were banned, how developers let them down, how the trade takes too long to go through, how moderation is biased.

Why are you trying to bait people with a hook that is empty? You know as well as us that your question is spurious.

Originally posted by HereIsPlenty:

Originally posted by Rage:

I've seen many people say steam is ♥♥♥♥ but never saying why. I thought we'd change that here because I'm curious why you think steam is bad and what they could do better, what changes they could be making etc. What are your thoughts?

Um,. really? Every time I have seen some neanderthal rants about how bad Steam is they have been very specific in how they were banned, how developers let them down, how the trade takes too long to go through, how moderation is biased.

Why are you trying to bait people with a hook that is empty? You know as well as us that your question is spurious.

I'm not refering to people who were banned and say steam sucked or other weak arguments. I'm talking about actual good reasons. Just because I haven't seen any but you have doesn't mean I'm baiting. You seem overly agitated about this.

Originally posted by Rage:

I'm not refering to people who were banned and say steam sucked or other weak arguments. I'm talking about actual good reasons. Just because I haven't seen any but you have doesn't mean I'm baiting. You seem overly agitated about this.

Firstly, you have started on a shaky premise, the assumption that people think Steam is ♥♥♥♥. You have compounded that by saying that people dont give reasons for it.

You may think I am agitated but I am simply responding to what you have put. Why did you not start with "How would you rate Steam and why?" Because you were leading the responses you wanted.

Also, how much value do you think there is in being a "good listener" to coin a phrase? On forums you either have an opinion or you don't. Clearly the only one who APPEARS to think Steam is ♥♥♥♥ without reasons given is.....?

post examples here op to support your claim

There's not enough steam here. Someone needs to crank the valve to get the steam going!

My only problem with Steam is the presence of people here on the platform, but it's not something that can be fixed I believe...

Bias controlled forums
Forced platform for 99% of gaming on PC
Very totalitarian if you disagree with people in moderation and customers.
Very Buggy outside of the main store..
Very locked down in settings and features.
Very pro developer as much as EPIC games but hide it well.
Very expensive.

Originally posted by PocketYoda:

Bias controlled forums
Forced platform for 99% of gaming on PC
Very totalitarian if you disagree with people in moderation and customers.
Very Buggy outside of the main store..
Very locked down in settings and features.
Very pro developer as much as EPIC games but hide it well.
Very expensive.

I'd like to counter this, if I may

1) Forums aren't biased, but there is inconsistency in punishment. But people on both sides of the coin do get bans.

2) That isn't a problem with Steam, that's a problem with other platforms not being good enough

3) Have yet to see this. Some game hubs are far more strict than others, but my overall experience shows that what you've said isn't really true.

4) What bugs do you encounter? I can't say I've seen any, other than some loading errors on occasion.

5) "Locked down" meaning fewer settings and features? If yes, the reason other platforms aren't as successful is because they offer less for both developers and users.

6) They're as pro developer as they are pro consumer. Steam offers tools that helps allow developers to get their products onto the store. Consumers have largely benefited from this. Their refund policy is also not completely strict in that you can get exceptions when outside the refund window. Steam will also refund players out of their own pocket when genuine scams happen.

7) This has nothing to do with Steam, because they don't control the prices for any game released here that isn't their own. A game being too expensive is something to blame the developers for.

Originally posted by datCookie:

Originally posted by PocketYoda:

Bias controlled forums
Forced platform for 99% of gaming on PC
Very totalitarian if you disagree with people in moderation and customers.
Very Buggy outside of the main store..
Very locked down in settings and features.
Very pro developer as much as EPIC games but hide it well.
Very expensive.

I'd like to counter this, if I may

1) Forums aren't biased, but there is inconsistency in punishment. But people on both sides of the coin do get bans.

2) That isn't a problem with Steam, that's a problem with other platforms not being good enough

3) Have yet to see this. Some game hubs are far more strict than others, but my overall experience shows that what you've said isn't really true.

4) What bugs do you encounter? I can't say I've seen any, other than some loading errors on occasion.

5) "Locked down" meaning fewer settings and features? If yes, the reason other platforms aren't as successful is because they offer less for both developers and users.

6) They're as pro developer as they are pro consumer. Steam offers tools that helps allow developers to get their products onto the store. Consumers have largely benefited from this. Their refund policy is also not completely strict in that you can get exceptions when outside the refund window. Steam will also refund players out of their own pocket when genuine scams happen.

7) This has nothing to do with Steam, because they don't control the prices for any game released here that isn't their own. A game being too expensive is something to blame the developers for.

That is your opinion and you are entitled to it rightly so, the op asked why people dislike steam and i gave them many of my reasons.

I have quite a few bugs.
Forums don't remember my notifications.. I get notifications months later from threads i stopped viewing completely.

Steam only shows the latest notification, nothing else.

Sometimes i don't get notifications at all. I also have to go to my support and account and comment notifications just to see them.

Strange download issues sometimes. Profile bugs, Screenshot bugs and GUI issues with screenshots.

Weird family share issues..

Crazy latency in trailer player, stutter etc, crazy lag in the points areas, crazy slow to load our inventories.

No access to emotes when i first login.

Many other bugs that i write about on the forums that never get looked at.

Ability to opt out of the community entirely.

Originally posted by Fakken:

Ability to opt out of the community entirely.

if you only use the steam client and never a web browser you can turn off most of the community in the steam options.

Let's see...:

- make the Wallet voucher cards with codes at the back available across the world and in more than one shop chain per country, while never allowing food traders in the mix.

- there must be a dedicated payment method for Steam other than the voucher cards and the same must be available world wide;

- all of Steam systems need to be protected from fraud like half assed DMCA claims with no proof of validity => if such a claim is presented a valid proof must be presented before further actions are required / followed;

- users of voucher cards and dedicated payment processor (when such becomes available) should not be limited by PP or any other censorships. It makes no sense to have one;

- if games require a second e-shop login in the future, these games can't be featured on Steam. Steam must be an independent platform. This will kill the access of the well known corporations, but will also force them to abide by the general rules;

- more tag categories on any game's workshop page. Right now these are just general and do not sort things well. In some cases the user has to go trough at least 20 to 50 pages for one item alone. More tags should make the process faster.

My problem with steam is that is too inefficient (11% energy efficiency) vs electric which can be in the range of 90% efficiency. I mean beautiful, if loud, machines... I'm sorry we are talking steam engines right?

The problem isn't unique to Steam, but it's still a problem nonetheless. We don't own our purchases and there is zero recourse of action to be compensated if something ever happens to our game (i.e. being removed from library) or if Steam itself goes down then we lose everything. But this is the digital age of owning nothing, many games I'd like to play will never exist on a physical disc and I have no idea what 'we' can do about it.

Another issue is the unchecked moderation of any given community hub. Though again, it's not unique to Steam. This is a problem in most areas of authority that have to do with "monitoring others". Police. Government. et al. Moderators have too much discretion and typical community guidelines are designed in such a way that allows moderators to bend the definitions to their worldview or straight up set their own rules that override Steam's guidelines.