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Francis • LUL 18 Sep, 2021 @ 12:57am
Steam client HWID BANS
and so, when the steam user violates multiple times and banned. later when the user logged in this device (where the violation took) cannot use anymore.

example message when login:
Steam - error

You cannot use this client on device for violation of TOS agreement in recent weeks.
as a result, you might not able to use steam client anymore
if this is a mistake. please visit https://steamhost.cn/help_steampowered_com/ for more info
[ok to uninstall steam]


this is my idea for violation to cheaters, hackers, toxicity and whatever
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Cathulhu 18 Sep, 2021 @ 1:13am 
About as useful as IP bans, as in totally useless.
Hardware IDs are spoofed within seconds.

That has been suggested many times and every time it was instantly shot down because the one making the suggestion didn't think for at least 5 seconds about if their idea could have any problem with it and don't see the glaring ones.
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Washell 18 Sep, 2021 @ 1:17am 
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=change+hwid
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Francis • LUL 18 Sep, 2021 @ 4:02am 
Originally posted by Cathulhu:
About as useful as IP bans, as in totally useless.
Hardware IDs are spoofed within seconds.

That has been suggested many times and every time it was instantly shot down because the one making the suggestion didn't think for at least 5 seconds about if their idea could have any problem with it and don't see the glaring ones.
ip ban dosen't required
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Sazzouu 18 Sep, 2021 @ 4:17am 
Originally posted by FAND:
ip ban dosen't required

They just wanted to tell you that HWID-bans are useless since you can spoof your HWIDs almost as easy as you can change your IP adress
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Gwarsbane 18 Sep, 2021 @ 7:02am 
Originally posted by FAND:
and so, when the steam user violates multiple times and banned. later when the user logged in this device (where the violation took) cannot use anymore.

example message when login:
Steam - error

You cannot use this client on device for violation of TOS agreement in recent weeks.
as a result, you might not able to use steam client anymore
if this is a mistake. please visit https://steamhost.cn/help_steampowered_com/ for more info
[ok to uninstall steam]


this is my idea for violation to cheaters, hackers, toxicity and whatever

As mentioned, in this thread and MANY other threads on this topic, hardware bans are easily bypassed by spoofing, just like with IP bans making both pointless and useless.

Then you have on top of that, what if the person who has a hardware ban, sells their old computer to someone. They go to play on steam.... now they are banned from playing even though they didn't do any cheating.

Hardware and IP bans are useless.
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Start_Running 18 Sep, 2021 @ 7:10am 
Originally posted by FAND:
and so, when the steam user violates multiple times and banned. later when the user logged in this device (where the violation took) cannot use anymore.

example message when login:
Steam - error

You cannot use this client on device for violation of TOS agreement in recent weeks.
as a result, you might not able to use steam client anymore
if this is a mistake. please visit https://steamhost.cn/help_steampowered_com/ for more info
[ok to uninstall steam]


this is my idea for violation to cheaters, hackers, toxicity and whatever
You do realize that HWID's can be spoofed right. and that *gasp* People can login from more than one machine.

Account bans achieve more or less the same effect in a more precise and less error prone way.

You cheat. You are banned from *that* game.
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Satoru 18 Sep, 2021 @ 7:13am 
HWID bans are easily bypassable which is why literally no anti-cheat system uses it as a primariy identification method
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Brian9824 18 Sep, 2021 @ 7:31am 
Not to mention hardware bans screw over innocent people when the system is sold
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Francis • LUL 19 Sep, 2021 @ 12:42am 
Originally posted by Gwarsbane:
Originally posted by FAND:
and so, when the steam user violates multiple times and banned. later when the user logged in this device (where the violation took) cannot use anymore.

example message when login:
Steam - error

You cannot use this client on device for violation of TOS agreement in recent weeks.
as a result, you might not able to use steam client anymore
if this is a mistake. please visit https://steamhost.cn/help_steampowered_com/ for more info
[ok to uninstall steam]


this is my idea for violation to cheaters, hackers, toxicity and whatever

As mentioned, in this thread and MANY other threads on this topic, hardware bans are easily bypassed by spoofing, just like with IP bans making both pointless and useless.

Then you have on top of that, what if the person who has a hardware ban, sells their old computer to someone. They go to play on steam.... now they are banned from playing even though they didn't do any cheating.

Hardware and IP bans are useless.


Originally posted by Start_Running:
Originally posted by FAND:
and so, when the steam user violates multiple times and banned. later when the user logged in this device (where the violation took) cannot use anymore.

example message when login:
Steam - error

You cannot use this client on device for violation of TOS agreement in recent weeks.
as a result, you might not able to use steam client anymore
if this is a mistake. please visit https://steamhost.cn/help_steampowered_com/ for more info
[ok to uninstall steam]


this is my idea for violation to cheaters, hackers, toxicity and whatever
You do realize that HWID's can be spoofed right. and that *gasp* People can login from more than one machine.

Account bans achieve more or less the same effect in a more precise and less error prone way.

You cheat. You are banned from *that* game.
Yes. Spoofing hwid bans means useless bans. like hacking
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Cathulhu 19 Sep, 2021 @ 12:48am 
So you agree that your suggestion is as useless as HWID bans.
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J4MESOX4D 19 Sep, 2021 @ 2:02am 
Hardware bans whenever mentioned always cause anxiety with people like internet cafe owners and tournament organisers. When HWID bans were championed as an idea to counter and deter cheating, many were deeply concerned about their expensive devices becoming crippled through no fault of their own. Valve have a lot of commercial customers and they would not want to upset them by putting in extreme measures whereby their entire device is rendered useless through someone else.
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[N]ebsun 19 Sep, 2021 @ 2:35am 
People can already spoof HWID - even worse, if someone was able to get a hold of your HWID, they could potentially spoof yours and get you banned.
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Mikoto 20 Sep, 2021 @ 6:54am 
Originally posted by Nebsun:
People can already spoof HWID - even worse, if someone was able to get a hold of your HWID, they could potentially spoof yours and get you banned.
Same with IP addresses. It is why hardware and IP bans are a joke.
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Fishie 20 Sep, 2021 @ 7:00am 
No. Just no.
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Start_Running 20 Sep, 2021 @ 7:58am 
Hacking bans are actually useful since they lock down the account and to get in again the hacker will have to create a new account, with new contact details and payment info, and acquire a new copy of the game.

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