Bungie community hub mods on a censorship power trip.

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76561197994212498 17 Aug @ 7:49am

I posted a comment on a thread about someone having a difficult time finding people to complete old content with. I pointed out that the only proof you need in order to know the game is overly tedious and not fun to play through is that they offer to let you skip playing each of their campaigns on your 2nd and 3rd character for $20 each. Someone pointed out that the campaign was only 5-6 hours, and 2-3 after you know the mechanics, which is true but also highlights the fact that people would rather pay $20 than play through it again even for that short time.

Steam support has already let me know that community hubs are monitored by the developer and this is on them, which seems a bit off. As a reseller, allowing manufacturers of products you sell to censor and filter the conversations between customers about their product seems ripe for abuse. If they actually want customers purchasing the best products on their platform, they'll need to prevent manufacturers from filtering and doctoring up conversations by deleting parts of conversations and issuing warnings for pointing out features of their own product that proves it's subpar.

Moderators censoring conversations critical of aspects of their product is just as deceptive and undermines the whole Steam platform just as much as review bombing and sponsoring (paying for) glowing reviews.

Censorship is never okay, and abusing it to hide criticism of a low quality aspect of their brand is just desperate and pathetic.

The moderator's boss needs to apologize, make assurances that it will never happen again, and that the moderator is no longer associated with Bungie.

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Zarineth 17 Aug @ 7:59am

Devs can moderate their own forums as they see fit. Even if that means some trigger happy mod goes a bit over the board.

You can always infom others about any problems via reviews. They can't be touched by developers and can only be reported by them to the Steam Support (if breaking the rules).

Also keep in mind, that some customers are REALLY not worth keeping. Just as some developers are not worth supporting.

Last edited by Zarineth; 17 Aug @ 8:03am

fluxtorrent 17 Aug @ 8:26am

oh no, the throwaway limited account is complaining, we should DEFINITELY believe that this non-customer is speaking in good faith

Eto Anuta | Это Анюта 17 Aug @ 8:32am

in that case - only paid moderators modetate this hub

76561197994212498 17 Aug @ 8:33am

Originally posted by fluxtorrent:
oh no, the throwaway limited account is complaining, we should DEFINITELY believe that this non-customer is speaking in good faith

I've purchased legitimate steam keys for their product through a 3rd party and activated them on steam {LINK REMOVED}. So not a throwaway account and also an actual customer, not a non-customer.

fluxtorrent 17 Aug @ 8:35am

Selfreport that you are buying from non-legit sites, so not only not a customer but supporting criminal enterprise.

Might want to buy a dictionary, the word customer would indicate you purchase from the store. Not that you purchase from the back alley resellers

Originally posted by Greneherb2:
Originally posted by fluxtorrent:
oh no, the throwaway limited account is complaining, we should DEFINITELY believe that this non-customer is speaking in good faith

I've purchased legitimate steam keys for their product through a 3rd party and activated them on steam (cdkeys.com). So not a throwaway account and also an actual customer, not a non-customer.

76561197994212498 17 Aug @ 8:37am

Originally posted by fluxtorrent:
Selfreport that you are buying from non-legit sites, so not only not a customer but supporting criminal enterprise.

Might want to buy a dictionary, the word customer would indicate you purchase from the store. Not that you purchase from the back alley resellers

Originally posted by Greneherb2:

I've purchased legitimate steam keys for their product through a 3rd party and activated them on steam {LINK REMOVED}(cdkeys.com). So not a throwaway account and also an actual customer, not a non-customer.

The keys purchased activate through steam so how are they not legit keys?

d3str0y3r 17 Aug @ 8:39am

Originally posted by Greneherb2:
Originally posted by fluxtorrent:
Selfreport that you are buying from non-legit sites, so not only not a customer but supporting criminal enterprise.

Might want to buy a dictionary, the word customer would indicate you purchase from the store. Not that you purchase from the back alley resellers

The keys purchased activate through steam so how are they not legit keys?

They may be legit, but a lot of them are bought with stolen credit cards than resold.

fluxtorrent 17 Aug @ 8:40am

Originally posted by Greneherb2:
Originally posted by fluxtorrent:
Selfreport that you are buying from non-legit sites, so not only not a customer but supporting criminal enterprise.

Might want to buy a dictionary, the word customer would indicate you purchase from the store. Not that you purchase from the back alley resellers

The keys purchased activate through steam so how are they not legit keys?

Re-read the post, never said the keys were not legit.

Enjoy the account restriction when they get revoked, since generally that site sells stolen or fraudulently obtained keys

76561197994212498 17 Aug @ 8:45am

If they hadn't automated the removal of the link you could see that the site I use is legit. I'm thinking they bulk purchase keys during sales and then offer the 'winter sale' pricing (plus their markup) well after the 'sale' has ended. I think this because the prices are inline with the sales prices steam offers a couple times a year.

fluxtorrent 17 Aug @ 8:46am

They remove the link because it is NOT a legitimate reseller, its well known for begin an illegal key reseller haven.

Starting to think bungie did the right thing here. You cannot PURCHASE keys on steam for resale, period. Hell you can't purchase keys for resale ANYWHERE. its a nontransferable liscence

Last edited by fluxtorrent; 17 Aug @ 8:48am

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76561197994212498 17 Aug @ 8:48am

Originally posted by fluxtorrent:
They remove the link because it is NOT a legitimate reseller, its well known for begin an illegal key reseller haven.

Starting to think bungie did the right thing here. You cannot PURCHASE keys on steam for resale, period.

If that was the case they wouldn't sell gift keys (purchase this game as a gift....)

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Mad Scientist 17 Aug @ 8:49am

Originally posted by Greneherb2:
Originally posted by fluxtorrent:
oh no, the throwaway limited account is complaining, we should DEFINITELY believe that this non-customer is speaking in good faith

I've purchased legitimate steam keys for their product through a 3rd party and activated them on steam (removed). So not a throwaway account and also an actual customer, not a non-customer.

Destiny 2 is F2P.
Anyway, there seems to be what was left out and who made the decision. Additionally, typically when its bungie, they tend to use permanent bans like they do in the Halo hub which is always recommended to avoid unless strictly discussing only the game, as they like to use perm bans. It's why I avoid bungie game hubs.

Also, keys from that site are often acquired through fraud, so anything redeemed that was unlawfully acquired can result in the key being removed from whoever redeemed it.

Originally posted by Greneherb2:
If that was the case they wouldn't sell gift keys (purchase this game as a gift....)

When you purchase as a gift in Steam that is the legitimate storefront. Other, 3rd party sites that are censored on steam, displays an immensely negative reputation of the site, thus displaying it's not a legitimate site for purchasing - and again - anything redeemed where the key was obtained unlawfully like fraud, may be revoked.

Last edited by Mad Scientist; 17 Aug @ 8:51am

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fluxtorrent 17 Aug @ 8:49am

Originally posted by Greneherb2:
Originally posted by fluxtorrent:
They remove the link because it is NOT a legitimate reseller, its well known for begin an illegal key reseller haven.

Starting to think bungie did the right thing here. You cannot PURCHASE keys on steam for resale, period.

If that was the case they wouldn't sell gift keys (purchase this game as a gift....)

They don't sell gift keys, any gift is automatically added to someones library, they never receive a key

All these mental gymnastics are n ot looking so good for you, but thanks for confirming you are not a customer and don't even remotely understand how steam works

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rawWwRrr 17 Aug @ 8:52am

Originally posted by Greneherb2:
I posted a comment on a thread about someone having a difficult time finding people to complete old content with. I pointed out that the only proof you need in order to know the game is overly tedious and not fun to play through is that they offer to let you skip playing each of their campaigns on your 2nd and 3rd character for $20 each. Someone pointed out that the campaign was only 5-6 hours, and 2-3 after you know the mechanics, which is true but also highlights the fact that people would rather pay $20 than play through it again even for that short time.

Isn't that this thread here:
https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/app/1085660/discussions/0/592904784006374427/#c592904784006385393
Seems it's all intact including your own criticism.

Originally posted by Greneherb2:
As a reseller, allowing manufacturers of products you sell to censor and filter the conversations between customers about their product seems ripe for abuse. If they actually want customers purchasing the best products on their platform, they'll need to prevent manufacturers from filtering and doctoring up conversations by deleting parts of conversations and issuing warnings for pointing out features of their own product that proves it's subpar.

The manufacturers, as you put it, are just as much customers of Steam as we are. Part of the money that is paid to Valve from the revenue share grants them services on Steam such as the forums. The game's forums belong to the publisher/developer of that game. There is no conflict of interest as you describe.

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76561197994212498 17 Aug @ 9:21am

Originally posted by rawWwRrr:
Originally posted by Greneherb2:
I posted a comment on a thread about someone having a difficult time finding people to complete old content with. I pointed out that the only proof you need in order to know the game is overly tedious and not fun to play through is that they offer to let you skip playing each of their campaigns on your 2nd and 3rd character for $20 each. Someone pointed out that the campaign was only 5-6 hours, and 2-3 after you know the mechanics, which is true but also highlights the fact that people would rather pay $20 than play through it again even for that short time.
Isn't that this thread here:
https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/app/1085660/discussions/0/592904784006374427/#c592904784006385393
Seems it's all intact including your own criticism.

Originally posted by Greneherb2:
As a reseller, allowing manufacturers of products you sell to censor and filter the conversations between customers about their product seems ripe for abuse. If they actually want customers purchasing the best products on their platform, they'll need to prevent manufacturers from filtering and doctoring up conversations by deleting parts of conversations and issuing warnings for pointing out features of their own product that proves it's subpar.
The manufacturers, as you put it, are just as much customers of Steam as we are. Part of the money that is paid to Valve from the revenue share grants them services on Steam such as the forums. The game's forums belong to the publisher/developer of that game. There is no conflict of interest as you describe.

There was an additional comment deleted reinforcing the first and pointing out the actual degree to which the statement applies. Something to the effect of even only 3 hours and people would still rather pay $20 to skip playing it.

The manufacturers may be given the authority to moderate their own hubs, but it's still the steam platform and restrictive censorship from manufacturers degrades the integrity of the whole platform, not just their hub. Steam needs to take charge and crack down on this.

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