Originally posted by Sex Alarm:

Originally posted by Boblin the Goblin:

People can't even define what is an aspect of "wokeness".

Nah, that's patently false. Just because leftists have issues with defining things doesn't mean the rest of us do.

List all the aspects then.

Originally posted by Boblin the Goblin:

Originally posted by Sex Alarm:

Nah, that's patently false. Just because leftists have issues with defining things doesn't mean the rest of us do.

List all the aspects then.

In regards to games? Sure.

• Uglified females for no good reason
• "Body type" selector in place of sex selection
• Pronoun selector
• Unrealistic racial proportions or otherwise immersion-breaking race appearances (e.g. a black samurai in feudal japan as in AC Shadows)
• Pro-feminist messaging
• Pro-leftist political messaging
• Anti-white messaging
• Pride flags, especially when they don't make sense in-universe (e.g. pride flag charms in dead by daylight)
• Race swapping
• Anti-male sexist messaging
• Pro-immigration political messaging
• Climate conspiracy political messaging

Originally posted by Sex Alarm:

Originally posted by datCookie:

You can't add a suggestion for something that is arbitrarily applied by people who use said terms broadly, vaguely and usually because they don't like, at a minimum, one particular thing in a video game.

That's why I suggested a multi-option filter with different settings, again like the current "Mature Content Filtering" section on the store preferences page, so that particular aspects of wokeness can be filtered out according to one's liking, much like particular types of sexual content can be filtered out according to one's liking.

Sexual content is properly defined and is therefore easy to tag and filter out. Nobody has properly defined "woke/DEI" and even fewer actually understand what they're talking about in regards to it. Take your OP; before you edited it out, you very incorrectly said "DEI/woke" was "illegal", despite this not being the case.

What constitutes "woke"? What makes something in a game "DEI"? I've yet to see anyone define these terms properly.

Originally posted by datCookie:

Originally posted by Sex Alarm:

That's why I suggested a multi-option filter with different settings, again like the current "Mature Content Filtering" section on the store preferences page, so that particular aspects of wokeness can be filtered out according to one's liking, much like particular types of sexual content can be filtered out according to one's liking.

Sexual content is properly defined and is therefore easy to tag and filter out. Nobody has properly defined "woke/DEI" and even fewer actually understand what they're talking about in regards to it. Take your OP; before you edited it out, you very incorrectly said "DEI/woke" was "illegal", despite this not being the case.

What constitutes "woke"? What makes something in a game "DEI"? I've yet to see anyone define these terms properly.

A few groups exist on Steam specifically to help define and label woke games because there is no such filtering yet on Steam. Were it possible, they would not need to exist.

So to say that nobody has defined these terms yet is false. I'm not here to hold everyone's hands and look things up for them.

Originally posted by Sex Alarm:

Originally posted by datCookie:

Sexual content is properly defined and is therefore easy to tag and filter out. Nobody has properly defined "woke/DEI" and even fewer actually understand what they're talking about in regards to it. Take your OP; before you edited it out, you very incorrectly said "DEI/woke" was "illegal", despite this not being the case.

What constitutes "woke"? What makes something in a game "DEI"? I've yet to see anyone define these terms properly.

A few groups exist on Steam specifically to help define and label woke games because there is no such filtering yet on Steam. Were it possible, they would not need to exist.

So to say that nobody has defined these terms yet is false. I'm not here to hold everyone's hands and look things up for them.

The groups exist to label games as "woke/DEI" by their own definitions, principles and understanding. There is no socially understood definition for these terms, like there is with sexual content.

Most of the points you described above can be applied arbitrarily by ones own interpretation. I can look at most of the games I've played over the years and apply at least some of those descriptions to them.

Because of the broad, vague and highly emotional nature of the use of the terms "woke/DEI", no genuine filter could ever be done.

Originally posted by Sex Alarm:

Originally posted by Boblin the Goblin:

List all the aspects then.

In regards to games? Sure.

• Uglified females for no good reason
• "Body type" selector in place of sex selection
• Pronoun selector
• Unrealistic racial proportions or otherwise immersion-breaking race appearances (e.g. a black samurai in feudal japan as in AC Shadows)
• Pro-feminist messaging
• Pro-leftist political messaging
• Anti-white messaging
• Pride flags, especially when they don't make sense in-universe (e.g. pride flag charms in dead by daylight)
• Race swapping
• Anti-male sexist messaging
• Pro-immigration political messaging
• Climate conspiracy political messaging

None of those can be objectively selected in any game. But it is nice to see the confirmation(again) that "woke" just means it has lead female/LGBT/non-white characters.

Originally posted by datCookie:

Originally posted by Sex Alarm:

A few groups exist on Steam specifically to help define and label woke games because there is no such filtering yet on Steam. Were it possible, they would not need to exist.

So to say that nobody has defined these terms yet is false. I'm not here to hold everyone's hands and look things up for them.

The groups exist to label games as "woke/DEI" by their own definitions, principles and understanding. There is no socially understood definition for these terms, like there is with sexual content.

Most of the points you described above can be applied arbitrarily by ones own interpretation. I can look at most of the games I've played over the years and apply at least some of those descriptions to them.

Because of the broad, vague and highly emotional nature of the use of the terms "woke/DEI", no genuine filter could ever be done.

Enter the Gungeon is 'woke' by some of those aspects.

Originally posted by datCookie:

Originally posted by Sex Alarm:

A few groups exist on Steam specifically to help define and label woke games because there is no such filtering yet on Steam. Were it possible, they would not need to exist.

So to say that nobody has defined these terms yet is false. I'm not here to hold everyone's hands and look things up for them.

The groups exist to label games as "woke/DEI" by their own definitions, principles and understanding. There is no socially understood definition for these terms, like there is with sexual content.

Most of the points you described above can be applied arbitrarily by ones own interpretation. I can look at most of the games I've played over the years and apply at least some of those descriptions to them.

Because of the broad, vague and highly emotional nature of the use of the terms "woke/DEI", no genuine filter could ever be done.

Originally posted by Boblin the Goblin:

Originally posted by Sex Alarm:

In regards to games? Sure.

• Uglified females for no good reason
• "Body type" selector in place of sex selection
• Pronoun selector
• Unrealistic racial proportions or otherwise immersion-breaking race appearances (e.g. a black samurai in feudal japan as in AC Shadows)
• Pro-feminist messaging
• Pro-leftist political messaging
• Anti-white messaging
• Pride flags, especially when they don't make sense in-universe (e.g. pride flag charms in dead by daylight)
• Race swapping
• Anti-male sexist messaging
• Pro-immigration political messaging
• Climate conspiracy political messaging

None of those can be objectively selected in any game. But it is nice to see the confirmation(again) that "woke" just means it has lead female/LGBT/non-white characters.

As expected, it doesn't take long for the argument to become disingenuous. It is and has been defined multiple times by multiple people. There is no conflict of opinion like people want to pretend, the only thing that varies is people's tolerance for it.

Originally posted by Boblin the Goblin:

Originally posted by datCookie:

The groups exist to label games as "woke/DEI" by their own definitions, principles and understanding. There is no socially understood definition for these terms, like there is with sexual content.

Most of the points you described above can be applied arbitrarily by ones own interpretation. I can look at most of the games I've played over the years and apply at least some of those descriptions to them.

Because of the broad, vague and highly emotional nature of the use of the terms "woke/DEI", no genuine filter could ever be done.

Enter the Gungeon is 'woke' by some of those aspects.

Frostpunk could be "woke" because it's based in a world where the climate went nuts and the planet entered an ice age. Sounds like "climate conspiracy messaging" to me.

Crysis 3 is "woke" because there's an intelligent and capable female character in it. Sounds like "pro-feminist messaging" as well.

It's absurd

Originally posted by datCookie:

Originally posted by Boblin the Goblin:

Enter the Gungeon is 'woke' by some of those aspects.

Frostpunk could be "woke" because it's based in a world where the climate went nuts and the planet entered an ice age. Sounds like "climate conspiracy messaging" to me.

Crysis 3 is "woke" because there's an intelligent and capable female character in it. Sounds like "pro-feminist messaging" as well.

It's absurd

Helldivers 2 is woke because it only has body types. Doom: The Dark Ages is woke because Thira isn't a super model. Neir Automata is woke because the planet is flourishing without humans polluting it.

DEI/Woke will not be official tags.

Originally posted by Sex Alarm:

Originally posted by datCookie:

The groups exist to label games as "woke/DEI" by their own definitions, principles and understanding. There is no socially understood definition for these terms, like there is with sexual content.

Most of the points you described above can be applied arbitrarily by ones own interpretation. I can look at most of the games I've played over the years and apply at least some of those descriptions to them.

Because of the broad, vague and highly emotional nature of the use of the terms "woke/DEI", no genuine filter could ever be done.

Originally posted by Boblin the Goblin:

None of those can be objectively selected in any game. But it is nice to see the confirmation(again) that "woke" just means it has lead female/LGBT/non-white characters.

As expected, it doesn't take long for the argument to become disingenuous. It is and has been defined multiple times by multiple people. There is no conflict of opinion like people want to pretend, the only thing that varies is people's tolerance for it.

You waste your time. It is like explaining to a fish what water is. Some people cannot get it and others just are too driven by hate to want to try.

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

Originally posted by Sex Alarm:

As expected, it doesn't take long for the argument to become disingenuous. It is and has been defined multiple times by multiple people. There is no conflict of opinion like people want to pretend, the only thing that varies is people's tolerance for it.

You waste your time. It is like explaining to a fish what water is. Some people cannot get it and others just are too driven by hate to want to try.

Like hating it so much there's a request to filter anything that's deemed "woke" out? That is a pretty big hatred.

Originally posted by Sex Alarm:

As expected, it doesn't take long for the argument to become disingenuous. It is and has been defined multiple times by multiple people. There is no conflict of opinion like people want to pretend, the only thing that varies is people's tolerance for it.

Actually, what varies the most is how people apply their interpretations of said terms to games. For this very reason, one I have stated several times, no such filter could ever exist, nor ever will.

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

You waste your time. It is like explaining to a fish what water is. Some people cannot get it and others just are too driven by hate to want to try.

Filters are based on a persons preferences, which isn't based in hate, but rather in unemotional taste. The suggestion of filtering based on alleged "DEI/woke" products isn't based around a persons preference for/against such titles because unemotional of taste, but rather their hate for the content they are not wanting to see.

Originally posted by datCookie:

Filters are based on a persons preferences, which isn't based in hate, but rather in unemotional taste. The suggestion of filtering based on alleged "DEI/woke" products isn't based around a persons preference for/against such titles because unemotional of taste, but rather their hate for the content they are not wanting to see.

Lol, now that is definitely not true at all. A lot of people do hate porn and absolutely do not want to see it, as evidenced by the multitudes of people who for whatever reason turn off the porn game filter and then proceed to complain about it being on the Steam store with passionate hatred.