Originally posted by xBCxRangers:

Why is necessary for Valve to break their own naming and shaming rules, and publically show someone banned?

There is no rule about Steam naming and shaming people, I suggest you take the time to read the rules as those rules apply to the USERS, so Steam isn't breaking any rules

Showing the ban on the forum shows that moderation is actually acting, and helps with the multitude of threads from users who claim moderation does nothing.

You'd see hundreds of threads if they didn't show it from people claiming moderation never bans people if they couldn't see that they do indeed take action.

It also lets someone know that the person in question can't respond to their question or comments so your not sitting waiting for a response.

Originally posted by xBCxRangers:

In addition, if a poster is banned, their thread for public viewing should be taken down as well until this matter is rectified.

That makes no sense, if the thread is against the rules it will be taken down, furthermore you have no clue if a thread someone has is even releated to their ban as they can be banned for activities in other threads that are completely unrelated.

Originally posted by xBCxRangers:

It becomes blatantly obvious, any time someone has a criticism of Steam, big red letters end up next to them

Its all about the context, there are plenty of threads with people critiquing steam and as usual 99% of those users don't get banned. That is because the majority of people are capable of following the rules while doing so.

Unfortunately some people just don't understand how to follow basic rules

Why wouldn't forum bans show up? Pretty much every forum ban in the world displays them to warn people that if you don't behave you will get banned. Not showing them would lead to anarchy

Every service provides a warning somewhere, somehow.

Originally posted by Truth:

Why wouldn't forum bans show up? Pretty much every forum ban in the world displays them to warn people that if you don't behave you will get banned. Not showing them would lead to anarchy

Reddit doesn't show someone banned. At least on the subreddits i post. The comment goes away, but your status isn't publically displayed.

And i can't speak for other outlets, being they may have more proactive or effective moderation than Steam does.

But as it stands here, the "ban" status should be an off topic matter for other posters to see.

Particularly when a decent portion of those bans may be overturned, in error, or otherwise should not have happened. Yet, their reputation publically shows different.

It's unfair practice and should not have any part on the forums.

Does this happen to have anything to do with the other thread you were just in where the person was complaining about the game ban on their profile and not a forum ban like you thought?

Originally posted by Abigail From Sexy Salmon Dept.:

Does this happen to have anything to do with the other thread you were just in where the person was complaining about the game ban on their profile and not a forum ban like you thought?

In a word, yes. I feel this matter, a more pressing one.

Originally posted by xBCxRangers:

Originally posted by Truth:

Why wouldn't forum bans show up? Pretty much every forum ban in the world displays them to warn people that if you don't behave you will get banned. Not showing them would lead to anarchy

Reddit doesn't show someone banned. At least on the subreddits i post. The comment goes away, but your status isn't publically displayed.

Reddit is considered one of the most toxic and poorly moderated forums out there, so thanks for proving the point I made.

Originally posted by xBCxRangers:

And i can't speak for other outlets, being they may have more proactive or effective than Steam does.

Then perhaps you should do some research on your idea and you will find that pretty much every forum displays it like I mentioned.

Its not hard to not get banned, just follow the rules, ive never once been banned on steam for instance.

Originally posted by Truth:

Originally posted by xBCxRangers:

Reddit doesn't show someone banned. At least on the subreddits i post. The comment goes away, but your status isn't publically displayed.

Reddit is considered one of the most toxic and poorly moderated forums out there, so thanks for proving the point I made.

Originally posted by xBCxRangers:

And i can't speak for other outlets, being they may have more proactive or effective than Steam does.

Then perhaps you should do some research on your idea and you will find that pretty much every forum displays it like I mentioned.

Its not hard to not get banned, just follow the rules, ive never once been banned on steam for instance.

Whatever you make think about reddit is your perogative. And one can say, this forum just as toxic.

But whatever the event, we're talking about Steam, not other outlets. And if people are going to continually say Steam is "not social media" it's probably a good idea to leave those other outlets out of the conversation altogether.

Steam sells games, and therefore youngsters and others post. Steam should not be using their own practices as a means to bullying, promoting haranguement and harassment, or subjucating others with their practices.

"lets leave them out" was the one who brought it up

Originally posted by fluxtorrent:

"lets leave them out" was the one who brought it up

That is incorrect...

Originally posted by Truth:

Why wouldn't forum bans show up? Pretty much every forum ban in the world displays them to warn people that if you don't behave you will get banned. Not showing them would lead to anarchy

If the only argument is "reddit" then there's not much substance left to the suggestion.

Reddit does shadow bans as well which I think are an even worse idea as you would never know that you're being silenced. Reddit mods can still see the postings getting auto blocked, so your bans there are not completely invisible.

Originally posted by rawWwRrr:

If the only argument is "reddit" then there's not much substance left to the suggestion.

Reddit does shadow bans as well which I think are an even worse idea as you would never know that you're being silenced. Reddit mods can still see the postings getting auto blocked, so your bans there are not completely invisible.

Well Reddit is a social media outlet. Is this social media? I guess that's a sincere question.

Reddit was brought up, being it was brought to my attention 'all" outlets do what Steam does. But they do not.

If Steam however is "not" social media (and therefore not facing regulations as social media are atp), then they should promote fair practicies that consider the platform they are, and protect their users.

Originally posted by rawWwRrr:

If the only argument is "reddit" then there's not much substance left to the suggestion.

Reddit does shadow bans as well which I think are an even worse idea as you would never know that you're being silenced. Reddit mods can still see the postings getting auto blocked, so your bans there are not completely invisible.

Is there every any substance? It's always the same selfserving nonsense.

Originally posted by xBCxRangers:

And if people are going to continually say Steam is "not social media" it's probably a good idea to leave those other outlets out of the conversation altogether.

Then YOU shouldn't bring those other outlets up if you don't want them to be part of the conversation. As of now no government in the world has classified Steam as a social media company as its not their primary business.

Originally posted by xBCxRangers:

Steam sells games, and therefore youngsters and others post. Steam should not be using their own practices as a means to bullying, promoting haranguement and harassment, or subjucating others with their practices.

Sorry, but you must not be familiar with the law in the US. Its common practice to display for public record rule violations whether they be civil, criminal, etc. I'm not sure how the law works in whatever country you live in, but in America its common practice.

Originally posted by xBCxRangers:

Originally posted by fluxtorrent:

"lets leave them out" was the one who brought it up

That is incorrect...

Originally posted by Truth:

Why wouldn't forum bans show up? Pretty much every forum ban in the world displays them to warn people that if you don't behave you will get banned. Not showing them would lead to anarchy

It is indeed correct, I did not bring up reddit, you did. So if you don't want reddit in particular discussed then don't bring it up. If you mention reddit, I will discuss it and counter your particular claims. If you don't like it then you can ignore it, but i'll discuss it anytime you choose to bring it up.

Why should the thread be taken down m8?
I mean let's be frank. WHy should the party stop just because one person misbehaving. Get rid of the misbehaving element and tghe discussion can continue?

And the fact that you'd rather want the status hidden shows why iit's visibility is valuable. It's a sign to everyone else that moderation is doing their thing. Otherwise it'd just look the person decided not to post for a while.

If having other people see those red letters next to your name makes you feel a way..then that's exactly why.

Of course all problems with moderation can be solved by simply learning to to follow the rules. So maybe work on that.