Suggestion regional restrictions/machine translation display on the store page (ru/eng)

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Drake 25 Jun @ 11:58pm

Уже 3,5 года как большинство крупных издателей бросили своих фанатов в России и ограничили им доступ к покупке их игр в стим.

НО, я не понимаю почему эти ограничения действуют на игры, которые у меня в библиотеке, если они были ранее куплены или добавлены с помощью ключей активации.

А именно почему я не могу: зайти на страницу магазина игры, которая у меня в библиотеке, не могу написать отзыв об данных играх, посмотреть дополнения к игре и добавить бесплатное дополнение, если такие есть.

Я думаю, я имею на это право, и я сомневаюсь, что все издатели просили именно ограничивать доступ к странице магазина и прочим функция клиента, а просто запрещали продавать свои игры в РФ.

Это запрос не касается игр, которые просит удалить государственный цензурный орган, ограничивающий права и свободы граждан РФ в интернете… (если вы откроете к ним доступ (к их страницам) стим вообще заблокируют в РФ).

+ Было бы не плохо если вы добавили обозначения в поддерживаемых языках что перевод был машинным или с использованием ИИ.

It's been 3.5 years since most major publishers abandoned their fans in Russia and restricted their access to purchasing their games on Steam.

BUT, I don't understand why these restrictions apply to games that are in my library, if they were previously purchased or added using activation keys.

Namely, why I can't: go to the store page of a game that is in my library, can't write a review about these games, look at the DLC for the game and add free DLC, if there is any.

I think I have the right to do this, and I doubt that all publishers asked specifically to restrict access to the store page and other client functions, but simply prohibited selling their games in the Russian Federation.

This request does not apply to games that the state censorship body, which restricts the rights and freedoms of Russian citizens on the Internet, asks to be removed... (if you open access to them (to their pages), Steam will be blocked in the Russian Federation).

+ It would be nice if you added indications in supported languages that the translation was machine or using AI.

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Originally posted by Komarimaru:

Your only recourse is through the Publishers/Developers of the game. They have full control over what they can do, not Valve.

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cSg|mc-Hotsauce 26 Jun @ 7:46am

Devs/pus that pulled out of Russia and Belarus know when a game no longer has a price and can not be seen in said country on the store, those people can not write a review anymore.

nullable 26 Jun @ 7:58am

Originally posted by Drake:

I think I have the right to do this, and I doubt that all publishers asked specifically to restrict access to the store page and other client functions, but simply prohibited selling their games in the Russian Federation.

Well you'd be mistaken about your rights. Restrictions being more restrictive than you'd like isn't necessarily a problem that needs to be resolved.

I'm not saying it's fair for you personally. But citizens often have to bear the burdens and inconveniences caused by the state. You're free to your opinions about what ought to be, but the parties who matter already have their opinions on full display.

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Drake 26 Jun @ 8:29am

Originally posted by nullable:
Originally posted by Drake:

I think I have the right to do this, and I doubt that all publishers asked specifically to restrict access to the store page and other client functions, but simply prohibited selling their games in the Russian Federation.

Well you'd be mistaken about your rights. Restrictions being more restrictive than you'd like isn't necessarily a problem that needs to be resolved.

I'm not saying it's fair for you personally. But citizens often have to bear the burdens and inconveniences caused by the state. You're free to your opinions about what ought to be, but the parties who matter already have their opinions on full display.

I can't wait for similar sanctions to be imposed on Israel for destroying Palestine to the ground, attacking Iran. And of course sanctions against the US and NATO for the same Iran, for the war in Iraq based on lies about chemical weapons that did not exist, for the bombing of Yugoslavia, etc.
Or is it something else?

cSg|mc-Hotsauce 26 Jun @ 8:30am

Originally posted by Drake:
Originally posted by nullable:

Well you'd be mistaken about your rights. Restrictions being more restrictive than you'd like isn't necessarily a problem that needs to be resolved.

I'm not saying it's fair for you personally. But citizens often have to bear the burdens and inconveniences caused by the state. You're free to your opinions about what ought to be, but the parties who matter already have their opinions on full display.

I can't wait for similar sanctions to be imposed on Israel for destroying Palestine to the ground, attacking Iran. And of course sanctions against the US and NATO for the same Iran, for the war in Iraq based on lies about chemical weapons that did not exist, for the bombing of Yugoslavia, etc.
Or is it something else?

Valve is a US company. These proposed sanctions wouldn't do anything on Steam.

Drake 26 Jun @ 8:37am

Originally posted by cSg|mc-Hotsauce:
Originally posted by Drake:

I can't wait for similar sanctions to be imposed on Israel for destroying Palestine to the ground, attacking Iran. And of course sanctions against the US and NATO for the same Iran, for the war in Iraq based on lies about chemical weapons that did not exist, for the bombing of Yugoslavia, etc.
Or is it something else?

Valve is a US company. These proposed sanctions wouldn't do anything on Steam.

:nkCool:

Of course they won't because people's suffering and so on have nothing to do with it, it's all politics/marketing. I'm asking about access to information about games that I already had, not about the ability to buy them. Valve didn't leave the Russian market and still sells games, but not from all publishers.

Last edited by Drake; 26 Jun @ 8:40am

cSg|mc-Hotsauce 26 Jun @ 8:42am

Originally posted by Drake:
Originally posted by cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Valve is a US company. These proposed sanctions wouldn't do anything on Steam.

Of course they won't because people's suffering and so on have nothing to do with it, it's all politics/marketing. I'm asking about access to information about games that I already had, not about the ability to buy them. Valve didn't leave the Russian market and still sells games, but not from all publishers.

Contact the devs/pubs that pulled their products from Steam in Russia and Belarus.

Drake 26 Jun @ 8:47am

Originally posted by cSg|mc-Hotsauce:
Originally posted by Drake:

Of course they won't because people's suffering and so on have nothing to do with it, it's all politics/marketing. I'm asking about access to information about games that I already had, not about the ability to buy them. Valve didn't leave the Russian market and still sells games, but not from all publishers.

Contact the devs/pubs that pulled their products from Steam in Russia and Belarus.

:nkCool:

So you want to say that each publisher decides for itself what information in the store a particular region will have access to. And Steam has nothing to do with it?

cSg|mc-Hotsauce 26 Jun @ 8:48am

Originally posted by Drake:
Originally posted by cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Contact the devs/pubs that pulled their products from Steam in Russia and Belarus.

So you want to say that each publisher decides for itself what information in the store a particular region will have access to. And Steam has nothing to do with it?

Devs/pubs know full well how it works. The ones that pulled their products have been around here on Steam for nearly 20 years.

Drake 26 Jun @ 8:53am

Originally posted by cSg|mc-Hotsauce:
Originally posted by Drake:

So you want to say that each publisher decides for itself what information in the store a particular region will have access to. And Steam has nothing to do with it?

Devs/pubs know full well how it works. The ones that pulled their products have been around here on Steam for nearly 20 years.

:nkCool:

So you don't know?

I honestly have nothing to talk about with such companies, they just spat on the people who supported them by buying their games for years.

cSg|mc-Hotsauce 26 Jun @ 8:55am

Originally posted by Drake:
Originally posted by cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Devs/pubs know full well how it works. The ones that pulled their products have been around here on Steam for nearly 20 years.

So you don't know?

I honestly have nothing to talk about with such companies, they just spat on the people who supported them by buying their games for years.

I already told you that I know.

Then why do you want to review their games if you don't want to talk with them?

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nullable 26 Jun @ 8:57am

Originally posted by Drake:
Originally posted by nullable:

Well you'd be mistaken about your rights. Restrictions being more restrictive than you'd like isn't necessarily a problem that needs to be resolved.

I'm not saying it's fair for you personally. But citizens often have to bear the burdens and inconveniences caused by the state. You're free to your opinions about what ought to be, but the parties who matter already have their opinions on full display.

I can't wait for similar sanctions to be imposed on Israel for destroying Palestine to the ground, attacking Iran. And of course sanctions against the US and NATO for the same Iran, for the war in Iraq based on lies about chemical weapons that did not exist, for the bombing of Yugoslavia, etc.
Or is it something else?

Well, the world is changing, so who knows who might get sanctioned by who and what those impacts will be. And I do agree to a point, the U.S. does things around the world that U.S. citizens would be outraged to have done to them.

Of course whataboutism has never been a very good argument, it's what people try to do to console themselves and deflect away from the faults of "their side". It doesn't negate them or change them. Other countries don't need to be sanctioned or punished first before Russia. Although given your situation I can understand why you'd feel differently.

However, hoping for backdated sanctions for conflicts that ended ages ago might be a little more than wishful thinking. Don't worry, there's plenty of other stuff that occurs today that non-allies can be critical about.

Originally posted by Drake:
Originally posted by cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Valve is a US company. These proposed sanctions wouldn't do anything on Steam.

:nkCool:

Of course they won't because people's suffering and so on have nothing to do with it, it's all politics/marketing. I'm asking about access to information about games that I already had, not about the ability to buy them. Valve didn't leave the Russian market and still sells games, but not from all publishers.

Valve doesn't control or manage publishers or their decisions. Publishers can restrict access to any markets they want, or even delist their games from Steam on a whim. If you have issues with publisher decisions, take it up with the publishers.

But yes, it's all politics. Ultimately everything is politics. Surprise! It's not always obvious until you feel the impact, but being oblivious to politics doesn't make a "water is wet" statement terribly profound.

Originally posted by Drake:
Originally posted by cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Contact the devs/pubs that pulled their products from Steam in Russia and Belarus.

:nkCool:

So you want to say that each publisher decides for itself what information in the store a particular region will have access to. And Steam has nothing to do with it?

Yes. It's one of the reasons Steam is so popular with developers/publishers. Valve doesn't control or manage non-Valve products on Steam. Valve is extremely developer friendly. The only time Valve is going to weigh in on a product is if the product itself violates Valve's terms of use. And restricting sales/access to countries isn't a violation of the terms publishers agree to.

Valve didn't force some publishers to stop selling games in Russia. Valve isn't going to force anyone to sell games in Russia. Your issue is with the publishers who decided to restrict Russians from their products.

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Drake 26 Jun @ 9:07am

Originally posted by nullable:
Originally posted by Drake:
Valve didn't force some publishers to stop selling games in Russia. Valve isn't going to force anyone to sell games in Russia. Your issue is with the publishers who decided to restrict Russians from their products.

No, it's not about sales in Russia.
It's about the ability to visit the store page and leave reviews on games that I already have in my library.

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Komarimaru 26 Jun @ 9:12am

Your only recourse is through the Publishers/Developers of the game. They have full control over what they can do, not Valve.

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nullable 26 Jun @ 9:19am

Originally posted by Drake:

No, it's not about sales in Russia.
It's about the ability to visit the store page and leave reviews on games that I already have in my library.

Unfortunately those things are more connected than you'd like and being pedantic about it doesn't change anything. Why don't you have access to those features? Because they were all restricted for the same reason.

You still have access to the game your purchased, that is about the limit of your rights. If the publisher doesn't want you around, then they have the right to restrict you. Maybe you're not familiar with this concept, but your rights end where the rights of others begin. And publishers have the right to manage their products and communities and all the related features.

There's no way to make you happy about it given the situation and how it effects you personally. I'm not trying to explain why it's "right and good", I'm just stating what "is" currently. Only thing I can say is, nothing lasts forever.

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William Shakesman 26 Jun @ 10:27am

Originally posted by Drake:
Originally posted by cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Devs/pubs know full well how it works. The ones that pulled their products have been around here on Steam for nearly 20 years.

:nkCool:

So you don't know?

I honestly have nothing to talk about with such companies, they just spat on the people who supported them by buying their games for years.

Honestly, the correct take. Wielding these sorts of markets as a whip hand just hurts the markets in the long run. You should not give your money to corporations controlled by governments hostile to your own. And, as an added benefit, when you get to harass companies serving a hostile foreign government in service of your own, it is called privateering which is a really cool name.

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