Encourage Game Collections to be split into individual listings using Packages
In recent years, more and more games are being re-released and brought to Steam. Publishers that have a suite of historic games to bring back to the market often do this in the form of collections. These collections often include multiple (previously individually released) game titles, released as a single game on the Steam storefront, usually under the collective name of the franchise or IP.

Some examples of this are:

https://steamhost.cn/app/2369900/Castlevania_Dominus_Collection/
Includes Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow, Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin, Castlevania: Order of Ecclesia

https://steamhost.cn/app/477740/Zero_Escape_The_Nonary_Games/
Includes 999: Nine Hours, Nine Persons, Nine Doors and Zero Escape: Virtue's Last Reward

https://steamhost.cn/app/2478970/Tomb_Raider_IIII_Remastered_Starring_Lara_Croft/
Includes Tomb Raider I Remastered, Tomb Raider II Remastered, Tomb Raider III Remastered

As well as many others, including Devil May Cry HD Collection, Mega Man Legacy Collection, Phoenix Wrigth: Ace Attorney Trilogy, KINGDOM HEARTS -HD 1.5+2.5 ReMIX , SEGA Mega Drive & Genesis Classics (unlisted)

Collections have a few benefits, such as the (perceived) additional value that is offered for a lower price to consumers, as well as convenience for the publishers due to only having a single listing to manage. It also allows each game to easily use the same infrastructure and engine.

However, I think this practice is a negative trend for both Steam and it's users, and I would like to ask Valve to encourage or force developers to instead use Steam's Package feature, when releasing multiple (historically) individually available standalone games. Especially since these Collections often consist of multiple executables (one for each game), which are simply launched by the collection launcher, making the launcher a simple wrapper that does not add any additional value.

Game Collection Issues
  1. Discoverability Many of these collection releases are games that have previously been released (often on older platforms) under their respective original titles. This means that some users will become familiar with the game under this title, which is often not the title the collection visibily uses. For example, the DS Game 999: Nine Hours, Nine Persons, Nine Doors has quite a cult following, and was rereleased on Steam in the collection known as Zero Escape: The Nonary Games. Searching Steam for the terms '999' or 'Nine Hours, Nine Persons, Nine Doors' results in no results. Any curious user would presume this game is not available on PC, and would never find this collection. Giving each game in the collection their own store page would mitigate this issue.
  2. Review Integrity While the fact that these collections are a single purchase, that does not mean that they are a single entity. These collections contain multiple different games, each with their own characteristics, strengths and flaws. Accurately using Steam reviews to rate 5 different Mega Man games under the single banner of 'Mega Man Legacy Collection' is impossible, since certain games in this collection might be fantastic classics, while others are significantly poorer. Collections tend to obscure this, making it harder for users to gauge what they are purchasing, and harming the transparency of Steam Reviews.
  3. Library Functionality These collections form a single Library entry for users that have purchased them. This comes with multiple issues, first of which is that all the entries in the collection need to be installed, even if you only want to play a single installment. Secondly, most steam users have some kind of categorization or organization within their Steam library using the collections. Most frequently (I presume at least), this involves archiving games that have been played and completed. This is extremely inconvenient with collections, since playing and finishing the first entry in a trilogy collection, does not mean the entire collection can be filed away as 'completed'. Other library functionality, such as tracking of playtime, also does not provide the level of detail and information that individual library entries would.
  4. Diminished Significance In general the collections diminish the significance of each individual title, since the only reference to the original game title is often in the description of the collection and the selection menu of the executable. With so many interesting and unique titles, it's a shame to not highlight them all and allow users to engage with them and their communities individually.

To be clear, I take no issue with grouping multiple games together in a single purchase, and having this collection be the only way that the game can be acquired. There is no need for each game to also be purchaseable individually, although that would obviously be most consumer friendly.


Steam Packages
I would suggest that Valve starts encouraging or forcing publishers and developers looking to launch collections on Steam, to instead use their package functionality. Packages are a collection of multiple individual games, that can be bought as a single purchase.

https://steamhost.cn/sub/6375/
For example is a package that contains the three main installments of the Gothic franchise, purchaseable as a single collection. The individual games do not need to be purchaseable outside of the package (as demonstrated by NINJA GAIDEN: Master Collection, which means packages could remain the only way to purchase the games, which obviously has benefits to publishers and developers. This also happens in Valve's own Orange Box. Packages also have the ability to be activated through steamkeys, meaning that selling collections at third-party vendors is still possible.

While this would require additional work for the publisher/developer, due to the need to populate multiple game pages and potentially additional overhead due to having to manage multiple individual builds, it seems an overall (slight) benefit to the health of the Steam storefront and more convenience for the user, and would therefore be a good precedent for Steam to set for future Collection releases.


Please let me know whether you feel the same way about Collections, and how you'd prefer Steam and developers to handle them. How have your experiences been with these types of Steam releases?
Last edited by Arecher; 1 Jul @ 4:28am
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What about Call of Duty? MWII, MWIII, Warzone, BO6 and soon BO7.

Either way, I don't think they'll force devs to split them up.

:nkCool:
Arecher 27 Jun @ 10:33pm 
An interesting workaround for the Collection issue is presented by Halo: The Master Chief Collection.
https://steamhost.cn/app/976730/Halo_The_Master_Chief_Collection/
It contains Halo: Reach, Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary, Halo 2: Anniversary, Halo 3, Halo 3: ODST and Halo 4 as individual DLC of the collection. These ARE purchaseable individually despite being DLC (which sends some mixed messages), but are not individually listed in the library as far as I know. While it mitigates a lot of the issues I described above, it does seem an odd way to handle things, since they are essentially using the DLC entries to create a setup similar to the package feature that Steam offers.

While I haven't played it, I presume this is to allow users to purchase access to whichever game they want, while still allowing them to use Collection-wide functionality such as friends lists and online networking. Which is very cool, and might be an argument for why single-listing collections have merit.

Another Collection variation that I ignored in the main post is collections that re-release a game with (all) DLC included. For example The Sims Legacy Collection https://steamhost.cn/app/3314060/The_Sims_Legacy_Collection/ This is something I personally don't have an issue with, although it would still be nice to have the included DLC use the standard Steam DLC systems, allowing users to see which DLC they own and have access to.


There are also other collections that are using Packages as described above already, which I wanted to highlight and appreciate:

METAL GEAR SOLID: MASTER COLLECTION VOL.1
NINJA GAIDEN: MASTER COLLECTION
MySims
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Arecher 27 Jun @ 10:33pm 
Apart from the information and suggestion, I also wanted to clarify a little WHY I am requesting this in the first place. While the not being able to individually purchase titles, and having to remember what funky names to search for when looking for the Castlevania game on my wishlist are minor inconveniences, to me the real gripe is with the library. For example, I've always heard about the Phantasy Star franchise, and would love to try out these games sometime. Sadly, none of them are on Steam. Apart from the fact that the SEGA Mega Drive & Genesis Classics might actually include Phantasy Star I and Phantasy Star II. But even though I have owned that collection for years, I had no clue. These fantastic individual experiences are completely obscured by a single piece of art describing the entire collection, which I have never found reason to interact with. If each included game had it's own listing in my library, I would have known that I owned these games and most likely tried them soon after.

Next to that, with a fairly sizable library, I tend to (attempt to) keep my library neat and organized. The fact that these collections are hard to categorize in regards to whether I am playing them, have them finished, or have yet to start them are forever an inconvenience. And with more and more retro games being re-released on Steam using these collections, this will only start happening more and more often. And since these collections are often the only legal way to acquire these classics, there is no way around it either.

I would love for this to be applied to all existing collections, but understand that that is near impossible. But hopefully my suggestion is taken into consideration by Valve, and be applied to the (hopefully) many future re-releases of all the classic games.
Arecher 27 Jun @ 10:34pm 
Originally posted by cSg|mc-Hotsauce:
What about Call of Duty? MWII, MWIII, Warzone, BO6 and soon BO7.

Are the Call of Duty games available under a single listing as a Collection? I couldn't find anything like that in my quick search. All of these games are individually available, right?

And regardless of whether Valve will implement this, would you want them to? I'm curious whether other people care, or whether it's just me!
Last edited by Arecher; 27 Jun @ 10:36pm
rawWwRrr 27 Jun @ 10:40pm 
Originally posted by Arecher:
Please let me know whether you feel the same way about Collections, and how you'd prefer Steam and developers to handle them. How have your experiences been with these types of Steam releases?
I do not feel the same that you do. I prefer they stay just how they are now. I much prefer the convenience they provide, less library clutter.

Many entertainment products are packaged as collections. Why would video games be any different?

And I don't see Valve forcing that onto the devs.

:catomeow:
Arecher 27 Jun @ 10:47pm 
Originally posted by rawWwRrr:
I do not feel the same that you do. I prefer they stay just how they are now. I much prefer the convenience they provide, less library clutter.

Interesting, thank you. For me it's actually discouraging me from purchasing some of these collections. I greatly appreciate them being brought to Steam and having the ability to purchase them, but it makes them feel so inconvenient.

You're right that this happens in other media as well, although when a book gets bound into a collection of a few books, all of these books are still available individually in bookstores as well. And DVD collections often still had each movie on an individual disk, for example.

Having said that, if these collections existed but also allowed all their games to be purchased individually, that would obviously be a better solution for everyone :jerry:
nullable 28 Jun @ 12:59am 
Publishers make decisions about their products. Valve doesn't make decisions for publishers. Publishers apparently have differing opinions than you concerning bundles. And when it comes to their products, their opinions have more weight. 100% more. Valve is not gonna side with you on this issue over developers/publishers.
Last edited by nullable; 28 Jun @ 1:01am
Originally posted by Arecher:
Force

Valve will not interfere with developers or publishers development decisions in any shape or form and they are free to publish their games in any shape or form. If you have complaint about a game, please post your complaint in that game's hub or contact the developer or publisher directly. They are the only party that make the changes you want.

Again, Valve Will Not interfere with development decisions of developers and publishers. Period.
Last edited by Anonymous Helper; 28 Jun @ 1:13am
I don't see any reason they should.
Arecher 28 Jun @ 1:36am 
Valve and Steam set regulations on what is allowed on their storefront and the games that are on it literally every day. They have made countless policies to protect or benefit consumers over the publishers and developers, and to help shape how games are presented to players.

I don't see how telling publishers to create individual listings is different than their recent rules regarding linking other developers products on your store page, or disallowing NFT games on their storefront. Encouraging publishers to use the 'package' and 'bundle' functionality Steam provides for what it was made for, rather than grouping them as one listing does not seem impossible or out of character for Steam.

Whether you agree with what I'm suggesting or not, saying that this is not something that should be directed at Steam is odd to me. Things like this change through policies and regulation, which can only be enforced and upkept by Steam and therefore should be directed to them.
Last edited by Arecher; 29 Jun @ 12:52am
Only Valve sets the regulations. Steam is a not a company or entity.

You'll find that the policies they made aren't for the benefit or protection of consumers, you'll find it's ultimately to protect themselves.

While I can understand certain policy changes as being neat, this is a suggestion I cannot "support" since it in essence means you want Valve to be a bully. I don't support bullies.
Arecher 29 Jun @ 12:48am 
Does anyone else have opinions to share on collections as a single listing on Steam, and whether they would prefer to have them be split or not? I'm curious to hear about peoples likes and dislikes, and general opinion on how they should be handled!

Please leave aside any opinions on the business practices or moral validity of Steam policies, since this is not a thread regarding that topic.
In my opinion they should be handled the way the owner wants. So if publishers want to sell them as package, that's fine. Offering thrm as packagr also likely hrlps to keep the price lower.

You seem to forget that these games are not made specifically for Steam.
They get sold on other places as well and often enough they aren't really individual games.

I don't see the issue. You name 4 'issues", but to me none of those are anything beyond pet peeves of you, OP. :conwayshrug:
Arecher 29 Jun @ 2:11am 
Using Steam's Package functionality would still allow them to be sold as a package, so the price could stay the same. In terms of what is being offered to users, there should be no difference in value.

What you mention about these collections also being sold on other platforms, and this change requiring the Steam releases to potentially be different from those that are released on Playstation, Epic, etc is valid. That's something I had considered too, and one of the larger downsides. Having said that, in theory nothing would stop the publishers from also releasing their games individually on those platforms.

I don't understand what you mean with "they aren't really individual games". Can you give an example? Everything included in the collections mentioned here has been previously released as individual games.
Last edited by Arecher; 29 Jun @ 7:08am
Uh huh. Another individual pet peeve being positioned as some kind of problem for "da cummunniddy".

Youre also wrong about books. There have been books that were previously published individually that could only be bought as a part of an anthology for at minimum, 40 years.

This isnt an issue. Its a personal preference and Valve is not going to force your personal preference on people, no matter how you dress it up.
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