you only purchased a licence, in that licence it states the publisher or dev can update or change files as and when, been this way since the 70's for most software.

Originally posted by Tezzious:

you only purchased a licence, in that licence it states the publisher or dev can update or change files as and when, been this way since the 70's for most software.

I never got these endless updates in the 70's, or 80's, or 90's, or early 2000's.

This is getting crazy, and to the point we literally do not know what we're buying anymore.

What's next? I buy a WW2 themed game, and a couple of posters on Reddit want it to be Aliens, and bye bye game.

Originally posted by xBCxRangers:

Originally posted by Tezzious:

you only purchased a licence, in that licence it states the publisher or dev can update or change files as and when, been this way since the 70's for most software.

I never got these endless updates in the 70's, or 80's, or 90's, or early 2000's.

This is getting crazy, and to the point we literally do not know what we're buying anymore.

What's next? I buy a WW2 themed game, and a couple of posters on Reddit want it to be Aliens, and bye bye game.

You agreed to receive any and all updates the devs send out when you agreed to the EULA to play the game.

You never had the right to say no to the updates.

It is not false advertising, no.

i thought you moved from win 7? sorry if this first question wasnt the issue.

or are you not liking that games get updates? if this is it, not sure why one wouldnt want game updates, they fix bug/issues, balance things, or add more content.

Originally posted by xBCxRangers:

Originally posted by Tezzious:

you only purchased a licence, in that licence it states the publisher or dev can update or change files as and when, been this way since the 70's for most software.

I never got these endless updates in the 70's, or 80's, or 90's, or early 2000's.

This is getting crazy, and to the point we literally do not know what we're buying anymore.

What's next? I buy a WW2 themed game, and a couple of posters on Reddit want it to be Aliens, and bye bye game.

tbh, we all know/knew we are buying games, these games get updates and while games in the past didnt get updates, it was one thing most disliked, as bugs were left unfixed in most case, unless they added them to a "expansion" thus costing base game prices, to get said fixes, as well as the new content.

have a nice day

Originally posted by MonkehMaster:

i though you moved from win 7? sorry if this first question wasnt the issue.

or are you not liking that games get updates?

have a nice day :gk_smile:

Right, i did upgrade. This has nothing to do with Win 7.

But i do not like getting these updates. It's not the game i bought, or how it was sold, and it's impossible anymore to know what a game i buy is going to actually be over time.

And it's frustrating dude.

I buy a game after a free weekend, play it, enjoy it, buy it, even ask on the forums before i do, if THIS is going to be the game, told it is, and all of a sudden these updates omit, take things out, add other things i don't like, and not the game i purchased and ruins the game.

Originally posted by HikariLight:

Originally posted by xBCxRangers:

I never got these endless updates in the 70's, or 80's, or 90's, or early 2000's.

This is getting crazy, and to the point we literally do not know what we're buying anymore.

What's next? I buy a WW2 themed game, and a couple of posters on Reddit want it to be Aliens, and bye bye game.

You agreed to receive any and all updates the devs send out when you agreed to the EULA to play the game.

You never had the right to say no to the updates.

But you DO have the right to play an older version of the software.

im not sure what to tell ya, i know/knew (as does most) that we are buying games, games that get updated, fixes for bugs/issues, balancing, new content, etc.., i personally welcome it in most cases, aside from games i use mods with.

the only reason one would dislike game updates, is if they are using mods, then and only then, one would care, as updates break mods, until the mod makers update their mods, to work again (assuming the updates werent a drastic change, thus allowing the mods to continue working, or the mod doesnt do anything special and will continue working despite updates), though in most cases now a days, devs work with mod makers, either updating their games to accommodate, or adding branches to use, allowing mods not updated, to continue working, until they updates, so you can move to the new game update.

you can also for some games, or even ask the devs, to use a beta branch, which allows you to stay on said older game versions, as long as you want, without a single update.

that said..... and i seen you mention "offline" not in this thread, so ill bring this up below.

though i will mention this before the below, im pretty sure if the client wants you yo go online, then do so and it will renew, w/e nonsense they have that wants you to go online every so often, then simply dont run a game, until you go offline again.

or... the below.

https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2967855237



i asked awhile back, you can ask again, but... what i got with my question for steam offline and stopping the client from wanting you to go online every so often (the question was pertaining to win 7, when i was still using it, thus i dont need to use it).

the answer i got below.

I assume it could be the case if the client is forced offline without blocking Internet connection from it, and the login for that client has been ended. That can be prevented by either using a firewall to block all client connections, or launch the client with:

-net_fake_state NoSteam

That is a switch that disables all connections to Steam for testing purposes, but can be used to keep it completely offline for this purpose as well.

you basically add the launch command, to the steam client exe.

also adding, you can remove said launch command, to then go back online, if you need to.

edit: forgot, you can also try steamcmd and/or steamdb, find any and all game versions from specified games (which are stored on steam servers), and basically "downgrade" a games version, into your steam client, but you then still need to block any updates, so it stays on said version.

give one or more of the mentioned a try, see how it works, get back to us in this thread, or in the guide.

good luck and have a nice day

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

Originally posted by HikariLight:

You agreed to receive any and all updates the devs send out when you agreed to the EULA to play the game.

You never had the right to say no to the updates.

But you DO have the right to play an older version of the software.

That's only if the devs provide an older branch.
If they do not, the game will update if an update is available and you are online.
You do not get to say no.
Even the games that have branch versions will update so you have access to all branches even if you only play on a certain branch.

Originally posted by HikariLight:

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

But you DO have the right to play an older version of the software.

That's only if the devs provide an older branch.
If they do not, the game will update if an update is available and you are online.
You do not get to say no.
Even the games that have branch versions will update so you have access to all branches even if you only play on a certain branch.

actually, you do get to say no and its quite easy to stop getting updates, if you dont want them and there are many ways, some solutions can be found online.

but also, yes... you can use beta branch, assuming the devs add older version (1 example being project zomboid), to said branch, thus keeping the version you want, without getting updates.... even more so when using mods.

have a nice day

Originally posted by HikariLight:

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

But you DO have the right to play an older version of the software.

That's only if the devs provide an older branch.
If they do not, the game will update if an update is available and you are online.
You do not get to say no.
Even the games that have branch versions will update so you have access to all branches even if you only play on a certain branch.

Until Steam provides the opportunity to say no, yes, but I can still relatively easily get the old version's files through the Steam console or through other means and run the older version that way and I have a perfect right to do that.

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

Originally posted by HikariLight:

That's only if the devs provide an older branch.
If they do not, the game will update if an update is available and you are online.
You do not get to say no.
Even the games that have branch versions will update so you have access to all branches even if you only play on a certain branch.

Until Steam provides the opportunity to say no, yes, but I can still relatively easily get the old version's files through the Steam console or through other means and run the older version that way and I have a perfect right to do that.

They do provide the opportunity to say no; you can uninstall the game

Originally posted by datCookie:

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

Until Steam provides the opportunity to say no, yes, but I can still relatively easily get the old version's files through the Steam console or through other means and run the older version that way and I have a perfect right to do that.

They do provide the opportunity to say no; you can uninstall the game

True, that hardly stops me from playing it on the older version I have but in more cases than not it's handier to use Steam's launch shortcut. If they insist on wasting bandwidth, I can still work around it.

Since I know Valve will not force publishers to include each prior branch or even only major branches for good reasons, I feel like the easy solution to this very minor problem is to create an easier, but within the client obscure, way to to more easily access the depots where all of these files/versions are stored in perpetuity outside of any easily accessed beta branches the publisher chooses on their own to provide.

But I dont really care if they never do anything.

Developers already have the option to enable version choice BUT it is not mandatory.

https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/groups/steamworks/announcements/detail/4547039255696769967

New: Steam APIs For Switching Game Versions & Beta Branches making it easier to manage game updates, and move audience in or out of beta branches

Recently released Steamworks APIs help solve some common challenges to switching game versions on Steam. With these new tools, developers can now offer players a choice in-game to join a beta branch for testing or to switch back to an older version of the game.

For released games that make frequent updates, these tools can give players more clear choices in how they want to engage with the game. Some players want to be part of your beta branch where you are testing out the latest updates, while others may want to play on an older stable build that they know works well with their save file.

New version support:

Many games on Steam already have multiple build branches available to players; different builds of the game, either historical versions or forward-facing test builds with the latest pending updates. Previously, accessing these alternative build branches has been fairly obscure, done by players through the Steam 'settings' panel for a game. However, new Steamworks APIs now allow developers to offer players this choice from within the game itself.