You can read the EULA before hitting purchase. The document is listed in the sidebar of the store page.

If you do not agree with the EULA after purchase, ask for a refund, which will be granted no questions asked within 14 days after purchase AND within at most 2 hours playtime.

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You can read the EULA before hitting purchase. The document is listed in the sidebar of the store page.

If you do not agree with the EULA after purchase, ask for a refund, which will be granted no questions asked within 14 days after purchase AND within at most 2 hours playtime.

My suggestion would save me a lot of time doing so, as I could knock out while swaths of games without having to comb through their Eula, preventing decision fatigue, creating fewer human errors (with pretty severe legal consequences), and mean folks could find more games that they are actually willing to spend money on faster. There's only so much effort a day any given person is going to spend reading eulas to determine if a game is playable for them. This puts folks in front of the games they want faster, and makes the barrier to buying a game lower

Publicado originalmente por CrispyChestnuts:

Publicado originalmente por Ettanin:

You can read the EULA before hitting purchase. The document is listed in the sidebar of the store page.

If you do not agree with the EULA after purchase, ask for a refund, which will be granted no questions asked within 14 days after purchase AND within at most 2 hours playtime.

My suggestion would save me a lot of time doing so, as I could knock out while swaths of games without having to comb through their Eula, preventing decision fatigue, creating fewer human errors (with pretty severe legal consequences), and mean folks could find more games that they are actually willing to spend money on faster. There's only so much effort a day any given person is going to spend reading eulas to determine if a game is playable for them. This puts folks in front of the games they want faster, and makes the barrier to buying a game lower

Yes, it would save time for you, but it would force Valve to gather this information and inconvenience developers and publishers.

If it is a concern to you, just read the documents.

Is that common among EULAs? I do not track that much data between them. It certainly seems an audacious and unmerited grab beyond even the typically justifiable levels of corporate overreach.

Naturally this counts as one of those features that if users were accurately apprised of it would result in fewer sales so it is understandable that devs and Valve prefer it be hidden. Remember Valve does not require devs accurately describe any sort of system requirements like "Online Connection Required" so these sorts of agreement overreaches are almost certainly beyond the scope of what they will track

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Is that common among EULAs? I do not track that much data between them. It certainly seems an audacious and unmerited grab beyond even the typically justifiable levels of corporate overreach.

Naturally this counts as one of those features that if users were accurately apprised of it would result in fewer sales so it is understandable that devs and Valve prefer it be hidden.

Yes, more and more everyday

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Publicado originalmente por CrispyChestnuts:

My suggestion would save me a lot of time doing so, as I could knock out while swaths of games without having to comb through their Eula, preventing decision fatigue, creating fewer human errors (with pretty severe legal consequences), and mean folks could find more games that they are actually willing to spend money on faster. There's only so much effort a day any given person is going to spend reading eulas to determine if a game is playable for them. This puts folks in front of the games they want faster, and makes the barrier to buying a game lower

Yes, it would save time for you, but it would force Valve to gather this information and inconvenience developers and publishers.

If it is a concern to you, just read the documents.

Yes, I am asking for the people I am giving my money to to implement a consumer friendly feature. Yes it will cost them resources. I think it is worth it. It's beginning to come to a head and it's getting to the point where finding a new game to get is more trouble than it's worth. Valve can decide as they get this suggestion more and more of it is a prudent business move, but it's important to talk about as it is a real problem facing real consumers

Publicado originalmente por CrispyChestnuts:

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Yes, it would save time for you, but it would force Valve to gather this information and inconvenience developers and publishers.

If it is a concern to you, just read the documents.

Yes, I am asking for the people I am giving my money to to implement a consumer friendly feature. Yes it will cost them resources. I think it is worth it. It's beginning to come to a head and it's getting to the point where finding a new game to get is more trouble than it's worth. Valve can decide as they get this suggestion more and more of it is a prident business move, but it's important to talk about as it is a real problem facing real consumers

The real motive of the EULA respecting class becomes quite apparent when you say "Yes I agree EULAs are important and more effort should be done to make sure users understand what they are signing" and then you can literally hear the record scratch "WOAH THERE I did not mean THAT important. I more meant, you know, ♥♥♥♥ the average user!" There is very little less popular here than the idea a corporation should shoulder any personal responsibility whatsoever.

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Yes, I am asking for the people I am giving my money to to implement a consumer friendly feature.

It is your responsibility as the consumer to inform yourself before purchasing of what you are actually going to purchase.

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Publicado originalmente por CrispyChestnuts:

Yes, I am asking for the people I am giving my money to to implement a consumer friendly feature.

It is your responsibility as the consumer to inform yourself before purchasing of what you are actually going to purchase.

Yes. I am asking for a feature to assist in this.

Valve won't add a filter to track class action lawsuits.

Publicado originalmente por William Shakesman:

Naturally this counts as one of those features that if users were accurately apprised of it would result in fewer sales so it is understandable that devs and Valve prefer it be hidden.

You overestimate the importance people give to stuff like this out of the "chronically online" gamer bunch.

the eula does not override the consumers legal rights.

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Publicado originalmente por Nx Machina:

It is your responsibility as the consumer to inform yourself before purchasing of what you are actually going to purchase.

Yes. I am asking for a feature to assist in this.

I wouldn't hold my breath on it being implemented as class action lawsuits are not typically something one is looking for when purchasing a game. For the time being you can simply do the footwork yourself if it is in fact that pressing of an issue for you.

No one is ever going to adhere to your insane requirements around mass arbitration. Your incredibly basic understanding of EULA would be comedic if it were not so sad.

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Publicado originalmente por William Shakesman:

Naturally this counts as one of those features that if users were accurately apprised of it would result in fewer sales so it is understandable that devs and Valve prefer it be hidden.

You overestimate the importance people give to stuff like this out of the "chronically online" gamer bunch.

To post that on a literally online gamer forum is a little... precious if nothing else.

Still, if there then is no meaningful detriment to providing the information and there is no way it can provide a negative impact then I agree that they can put it up. This is another situation where I would be perfectly happy to let practical real world evidence show that my initial hypothesis was wrong.