Valve should support the StopKillingGames Initiaive.

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Knud den Store 🧙‍♂ 7 月 1 日下午 4:56

I would like to see a banner on the front page once the store is ending.
Game preservation is already something that its competitor Good Old Games is taking to heart.
Valve could up the ante to support the initiative so that online dependent games continue to be available in the future.

This way companies do not have to to keep servers alive on their own and that expense could be passed down onto hobbyists. Independent efforts are already taking place with services that allow players to simulate Xbox Live servers.

This could ease that burden so people can continue playing their games for a long time.
I for one would like to go back to play Halo 2 and 3 using my original discs online.

While this is not retroactive, games in the future would support external severs.
Valve themselves could provide a game server hosting server for old games, even MMOs which require more expensive hardware.

Support stopkillinggames.com
Peace.

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nullable 7 月 1 日下午 5:01

If Valve wants to they will, if they don't they won't. I already think I know which way they will go.

最後修改者：nullable; 7 月 1 日下午 5:02

Mad Scientist 7 月 1 日下午 5:03

We already have a big thread on this in Steam Discussions.
https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/discussions/forum/0/4511002848507277219/

最後修改者：Mad Scientist; 7 月 1 日下午 5:03

Knud den Store 🧙‍♂ 7 月 1 日下午 5:07

引用自 Mad Scientist：
We already have a big thread on this in Steam Discussions.
https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/discussions/forum/0/4511002848507277219/

It is a big subject and the more exposition it gets the better.

Boblin the Goblin 7 月 1 日下午 5:10

引用自 Knud den Store 🧙‍♂：
引用自 Mad Scientist：
We already have a big thread on this in Steam Discussions.
https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/discussions/forum/0/4511002848507277219/

It is a big subject and the more exposition it gets the better.

Making multiple repeat threads doesn't help get people on the side of the initiative.

Valve tries not to play into sides of these types of things. Outright coming out and backing the initiative could very well hurt relationships with developers and publishers. Those are customers as well.

Mad Scientist 7 月 1 日下午 5:11

引用自 Knud den Store 🧙‍♂：
引用自 Mad Scientist：
We already have a big thread on this in Steam Discussions.
https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/discussions/forum/0/4511002848507277219/

It is a big subject and the more exposition it gets the better.

They have enough of that with asmongold and other creators that have been featuring it. This isn't a high traffic section compared to game hubs (wouldn't recommend posting this in game hubs). Safe to say valve is aware of this, but they're not an eu company. They have a hands off policy in regard to devs a majority of the time.

最後修改者：Mad Scientist; 7 月 1 日下午 5:12

rawWwRrr 7 月 1 日下午 5:16

引用自 Knud den Store 🧙‍♂：
引用自 Mad Scientist：
We already have a big thread on this in Steam Discussions.
https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/discussions/forum/0/4511002848507277219/

It is a big subject and the more exposition it gets the better.

Beware of a backlash effect because its being promoted too much.

I'm sure Valve is already very aware of the bill.

Crazy Tiger 7 月 1 日下午 5:17

引用自 Knud den Store 🧙‍♂：
引用自 Mad Scientist：
We already have a big thread on this in Steam Discussions.
https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/discussions/forum/0/4511002848507277219/

It is a big subject and the more exposition it gets the better.

Don't expect Valve to take a public stance on it. They generally stay out of such things and leave it all up to others.

Start_Running 7 月 1 日下午 6:28

引用自 Knud den Store 🧙‍♂：
I would like to see a banner on the front page once the store is ending.
Game preservation is already something that its competitor Good Old Games is taking to heart.
Valve could up the ante to support the initiative so that online dependent games continue to be available in the future.

And what business is it of Valves.
Thats a concern for the dev/pubs.

As for GoG. funny thing is,.. THey aren't doing anything that they haven't been doing for over a decade. and if you read their Subscriber Agreement you'll not that they in nio way provide any guarantee or warranty that their games are future proof

Ben Lubar 7 月 1 日下午 6:30

Before Valve decides whether to support a cause, it would be great if the people organizing that cause could explain what they were actually asking for beyond "it sucks that The Crew got discontinued".

Because every suggested course of action I've heard from anyone who supports the initiative has been something that either wouldn't change a future game in a situation identical to The Crew or something that would make developing a multiplayer game impossible due to contradictions.

76561198407601200 7 月 1 日下午 6:33

引用自 Knud den Store 🧙‍♂：
I would like to see a banner on the front page once the store is ending.
Game preservation is already something that its competitor Good Old Games is taking to heart.
Valve could up the ante to support the initiative so that online dependent games continue to be available in the future.

This way companies do not have to to keep servers alive on their own and that expense could be passed down onto hobbyists. Independent efforts are already taking place with services that allow players to simulate Xbox Live servers.

This could ease that burden so people can continue playing their games for a long time.
I for one would like to go back to play Halo 2 and 3 using my original discs online.

While this is not retroactive, games in the future would support external severs.
Valve themselves could provide a game server hosting server for old games, even MMOs which require more expensive hardware.

Support {連結已移除}stopkillinggames.com
Peace.

https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/discussions/forum/0/4511002848507277219/

There is an existing topic, yours is not important enough to create a new one.

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BJWyler 7 月 1 日下午 6:37

引用自 Knud den Store 🧙‍♂：
引用自 Mad Scientist：
We already have a big thread on this in Steam Discussions.
https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/discussions/forum/0/4511002848507277219/

It is a big subject and the more exposition it gets the better.

Spamming never makes anything better. In fact, it usually does the opposite.

引用自 Knud den Store 🧙‍♂：
While this is not retroactive, games in the future would support external severs.
Valve themselves could provide a game server hosting server for old games, even MMOs which require more expensive hardware.

Support stopkillinggames.com
Peace.

And as per usual, the obvious is overlooked:

Who is going to foot the bill for those servers and services? If the online games were popular enough to be sustainable to begin with, then needing to preserve them would be a moot point. So if they are not sustainable at the outset, how are they going to be sustainable in a preservation state?

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Ben Lubar 7 月 1 日下午 6:39

引用自 BJWyler：
引用自 Knud den Store 🧙‍♂：
While this is not retroactive, games in the future would support external severs.
Valve themselves could provide a game server hosting server for old games, even MMOs which require more expensive hardware.

Support stopkillinggames.com
Peace.
And as per usual, the obvious is overlooked:

Who is going to foot the bill for those servers and services? If the online games were popular enough to be sustainable to begin with, then needing to preserve them would be a moot point. So if they are not sustainable at the outset, how are they going to be sustainable in a preservation state?

And specifically relevant to the game the campaign is about: who's going to pay for all that licensing? Because it clearly wasn't the near-zero people who still played the game, nor was it Ubisoft who decided it would be better to shut down The Crew than to renew the licenses and never make that money back.

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BJWyler 7 月 1 日下午 6:57

引用自 Ben Lubar：
引用自 BJWyler：
And as per usual, the obvious is overlooked:

Who is going to foot the bill for those servers and services? If the online games were popular enough to be sustainable to begin with, then needing to preserve them would be a moot point. So if they are not sustainable at the outset, how are they going to be sustainable in a preservation state?
And specifically relevant to the game the campaign is about: who's going to pay for all that licensing? Because it clearly wasn't the near-zero people who still played the game, nor was it Ubisoft who decided it would be better to shut down The Crew than to renew the licenses and never make that money back.

And that's the whole other ball of wax that people have conveniently ignored. There can be a ton of licensing and proprietary issues that some with games - be it code, art assets, music, or what have you. It's not as simple as just not selling additional copies after the license expires, and maintaining a "reasonable" level of playability can be interpreted in many different ways. I know he kept it broad for his own reasons, but that still doesn't address the underlying issue of what will determine reasonable, and how often it might end up with that most games can't realistically be "reasonably maintained."

#13

Knud den Store 🧙‍♂ 7 月 1 日下午 8:23

引用自 BJWyler：
Who is going to foot the bill for those servers and services? If the online games were popular enough to be sustainable to begin with, then needing to preserve them would be a moot point. So if they are not sustainable at the outset, how are they going to be sustainable in a preservation state?

The idea is that, passed as intended, games include a suite that can be used to host games at some capacity, not full capacity mind you but a way to play offline or host games at a limited capacity online. I agree the idea is at the moment half baked and I personally would like to ask with a please rather than using legal means to achieve this, after all Doom Eternal added post-launch support and Id Studio for free at the request of the community.

That said, there are many games in which players like me invested hefty sums of money, hopefully there will be a final agreement between devs and the playerbase.
This is where Valve would make an excellent arbiter.

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MonkehMaster 7 月 1 日下午 8:25

agreed OP, would be a big thing if valve joined in, maybe even a big move on their part.

that said, i dont know if they would do something like that.

they have made some changes for the customers, for instance... banning in-game ads (thanks valve), think there was a few other things that i cant remember off the top of my head, but who knows, valve does what valve does, sometimes they are "for the customers", some times they arent.

anywho, keep the initiative alive, maybe it will trickle down and everyone will get a taste, not just the EU and/or AU, as it seems they are quite close to their goal, hopefully everything works out and it goes through.

have a nice day