Originally posted by Aerensiniac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFvE-ze1U6g

Sorry. If steam intends to actually surrender to a slippery slope that might start censoring violence in video games tomorrow, then your business is done and over.
Get to it, start looking for different payment processors or have fun crippling your company over insane activists.

Unless governments go in and make laws that prevents payment processors from doing these kinds of things, then there will be nothing we can do about it, as they do not care if Steam dies or lives, and they have the power to kill any business they see fit to kill

Originally posted by TBS AlexDK:

Originally posted by Aerensiniac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFvE-ze1U6g

Sorry. If steam intends to actually surrender to a slippery slope that might start censoring violence in video games tomorrow, then your business is done and over.
Get to it, start looking for different payment processors or have fun crippling your company over insane activists.

Unless governments go in and make laws that prevents payment processors from doing these kinds of things, then there will be nothing we can do about it, as they do not care if Steam dies or lives, and they have the power to kill any business they see fit to kill

Visa and Mastercard are perpetually facing class action lawsuits and attacks due to being a monopoly, but nobody is willing to tackle the issue even though its obvious to everyone what is happening.

Also, it doesnt matter.
Steam either figures out on its own that there are direct payment methods and other payment processors or it will see its entire business burn over whatever the f the flavor of the month social media outrage is.
Mark my words:
If this sht stays, then its only a question of time before you will get the "video game violence" folks start bombing rounds on everyone's library.

I've been here for 20 years but thankfully there are other platforms out there who sell games without drm and allow you to even download and keep the installer offline, so not owning anything i buy on steam was strike one, but now with this sh*t, im done with paying steam a single fck of a dime.

Originally posted by Aerensiniac:

Originally posted by TBS AlexDK:

Unless governments go in and make laws that prevents payment processors from doing these kinds of things, then there will be nothing we can do about it, as they do not care if Steam dies or lives, and they have the power to kill any business they see fit to kill

Visa and Mastercard are perpetually facing class action lawsuits and attacks due to being a monopoly, but nobody is willing to tackle the issue even though its obvious to everyone what is happening.

Also, it doesnt matter.
Steam either figures out on its own that there are direct payment methods and other payment processors or it will see its entire business burn over whatever the f the flavor of the month social media outrage is.
Mark my words:
If this sht stays, then its only a question of time before you will get the "video game violence" folks start bombing rounds on everyone's library.

I've been here for 20 years but thankfully there are other platforms out there who sell games without drm and allow you to even download and keep the installer offline, so not owning anything i buy on steam was strike one, but now with this sh*t, im done with paying steam a single fck of a dime.

It's almost impossible to get around Mastercard and Visa, as the vast majority of bank cards are one of the two

Originally posted by Aerensiniac:

Originally posted by TBS AlexDK:

Unless governments go in and make laws that prevents payment processors from doing these kinds of things, then there will be nothing we can do about it, as they do not care if Steam dies or lives, and they have the power to kill any business they see fit to kill

Visa and Mastercard are perpetually facing class action lawsuits and attacks due to being a monopoly, but nobody is willing to tackle the issue even though its obvious to everyone what is happening.

Also, it doesnt matter.
Steam either figures out on its own that there are direct payment methods and other payment processors or it will see its entire business burn over whatever the f the flavor of the month social media outrage is.
Mark my words:
If this sht stays, then its only a question of time before you will get the "video game violence" folks start bombing rounds on everyone's library.

I've been here for 20 years but thankfully there are other platforms out there who sell games without drm and allow you to even download and keep the installer offline, so not owning anything i buy on steam was strike one, but now with this sh*t, im done with paying steam a single fck of a dime.

No matter where you buy it, you don't realy own it

We should be able to pay by sending money in the mail. Steam gift cards exist too. But overall, it's going to hurt Steam if they can't process sells.

Originally posted by TBS AlexDK:

Originally posted by Aerensiniac:

Visa and Mastercard are perpetually facing class action lawsuits and attacks due to being a monopoly, but nobody is willing to tackle the issue even though its obvious to everyone what is happening.

Also, it doesnt matter.
Steam either figures out on its own that there are direct payment methods and other payment processors or it will see its entire business burn over whatever the f the flavor of the month social media outrage is.
Mark my words:
If this sht stays, then its only a question of time before you will get the "video game violence" folks start bombing rounds on everyone's library.

I've been here for 20 years but thankfully there are other platforms out there who sell games without drm and allow you to even download and keep the installer offline, so not owning anything i buy on steam was strike one, but now with this sh*t, im done with paying steam a single fck of a dime.

No matter where you buy it, you don't realy own it

Even the guy who created it doesn't own it because you cannot own an arbitrary aeries of numbers that disappear when a computer is turned off.

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

Originally posted by TBS AlexDK:

No matter where you buy it, you don't realy own it

Even the guy who created it doesn't own it because you cannot own an arbitrary aeries of numbers that disappear when a computer is turned off.

I mean nobody owns anything anymore, banks own shares in eachother to make the laws even more hard to enforce on monopolies.

Originally posted by McFlurry Butts:

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

Even the guy who created it doesn't own it because you cannot own an arbitrary aeries of numbers that disappear when a computer is turned off.

I mean nobody owns anything anymore, banks own shares in eachother to make the laws even more hard to enforce on monopolies.

No no, let us go back to base principles. I own a car. You own a car. If I steal your car I own two cars and you own zero and I win. You cannot do any of these things with a digital item you can not hold and I cannot take.

Originally posted by Aerensiniac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFvE-ze1U6g

Sorry. If steam intends to actually surrender to a slippery slope that might start censoring violence in video games tomorrow, then your business is done and over.
Get to it, start looking for different payment processors or have fun crippling your company over insane activists.

lol...I agree with you that it's a slippery slope, but then I look at your video where it accuses "evil feminists" as being the driving force in removing "rape games" and "incest games"

Yeah, those games should have never been allowed. The developers of those games should have had more common sense. Even if the game is about incest and rape, you don't name your game "Incest Tales: Webcam Daughter"...that's just asking for trouble.

And I do think, eventually, they will be removing violence in video games. It really only a matter of time. Well, that assumes they don't illegalize video games before then, you know, because they are unproductive wastes of time...

Originally posted by Aerensiniac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFvE-ze1U6g

Anyway, your video is wrong.

What happened is that "no mercy" got rather negative global attention directed at steam. Look up "no mercy controversy" on google if you want more info. This made the local news for the state that steam is physically located in: https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/video-game-no-mercy-pulled-steam-bellevue-company-platform/281-2f2f9887-0c21-4c41-a52c-ab2547c748d6

Steam is not a super popular platform in many circles, I know many adults that don't know what I'm talking about when I mention it. But they know words like "rape" and "incest" and know that they don't want their kids anywhere near that and think that any business selling it should be banned....

And then the obvious question, how does someone buy things on steam when most payment providers have a firm "no-porn" policy?

Such as paypal
https://www.paypal.com/us/cshelp/article/what-is-paypal%E2%80%99s-policy-on-transactions-that-involve-sexually-oriented-goods-and-services-help384

So now, the topic isn't really about steam at all - now it's about, why is paypal (and other payment providers) violating their own stated policy?

Steam is a little fish compared to these payment processors. They would totally let steam die if steam wants to make this the hill they die on. So steam will bend the knee, but not to activists, to payment processors.

Originally posted by Chronocide:

Originally posted by Aerensiniac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFvE-ze1U6g

Anyway, your video is wrong.

What happened is that "no mercy" got rather negative global attention directed at steam. Look up "no mercy controversy" on google if you want more info. This made the local news for the state that steam is physically located in: https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/video-game-no-mercy-pulled-steam-bellevue-company-platform/281-2f2f9887-0c21-4c41-a52c-ab2547c748d6

Steam is not a super popular platform in many circles, I know many adults that don't know what I'm talking about when I mention it. But they know words like "rape" and "incest" and know that they don't want their kids anywhere near that and think that any business selling it should be banned....

And then the obvious question, how does someone buy things on steam when most payment providers have a firm "no-porn" policy?

Such as paypal
https://www.paypal.com/us/cshelp/article/what-is-paypal%E2%80%99s-policy-on-transactions-that-involve-sexually-oriented-goods-and-services-help384

So now, the topic isn't really about steam at all - now it's about, why is paypal (and other payment providers) violating their own stated policy?

Steam is a little fish compared to these payment processors. They would totally let steam die if steam wants to make this the hill they die on. So steam will bend the knee, but not to activists, to payment processors.

Good thing that Adult content can be blocked for a child account

Adult content is blocked for adult accounts by default.
The only way someone would see it is if they MANUALLY deactivated the filter.

Child accounts cannot access this option as part of the parental controls from the parents account.

If the crazy activists want to do something, then they need to go after the places that sell supplies that are used in rape and murder.

In video games, no one is hurt.

Originally posted by HikariLight:

Adult content is blocked for adult accounts by default.
The only way someone would see it is if they MANUALLY deactivated the filter.

Child accounts cannot access this option as part of the parental controls from the parents account.

If the crazy activists want to do something, then they need to go after the places that sell supplies that are used in rape and murder.

In video games, no one is hurt.

The payment processors disagree with you on this unfortunately.

Originally posted by Chronocide:

Originally posted by Aerensiniac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFvE-ze1U6g

Sorry. If steam intends to actually surrender to a slippery slope that might start censoring violence in video games tomorrow, then your business is done and over.
Get to it, start looking for different payment processors or have fun crippling your company over insane activists.

lol...I agree with you that it's a slippery slope, but then I look at your video where it accuses "evil feminists" as being the driving force in removing "rape games" and "incest games"

Yeah, those games should have never been allowed. The developers of those games should have had more common sense. Even if the game is about incest and rape, you don't name your game "Incest Tales: Webcam Daughter"...that's just asking for trouble.

And I do think, eventually, they will be removing violence in video games. It really only a matter of time. Well, that assumes they don't illegalize video games before then, you know, because they are unproductive wastes of time...

As I never tire of or have cause to cease saying, if you want to see the modern anti-porn crusader, simply show a guy who nominally approves of porn something outside his comfort zone. The only people with internal consistency in this argument are the ones who want to ban it all, and they are the absolute smallest minority and only get allies of convenience as the comfort zone du jour changes.

(Extra credit: Do the financial interests that have outsized curation and veto powers over media people can access also influence the comfort zone du jour in a manner not dissimilar to how youtubers dictate forum discourse? If so, would that explain why people often ignore "Just wait til corpos ban what YOU like." so often? If what they like is programmed by the people doing the banning, is there any surprise they have no fear and actually much support for the bans?)

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

Originally posted by McFlurry Butts:

I mean nobody owns anything anymore, banks own shares in eachother to make the laws even more hard to enforce on monopolies.

No no, let us go back to base principles. I own a car. You own a car. If I steal your car I own two cars and you own zero and I win. You cannot do any of these things with a digital item you can not hold and I cannot take.

What makes you think people own corporations and simply shares in them? I am referring to physcial assets divided up by laws. That would be more like, you have a car, but you don't own it, the bank does.

Valve shouldn't have given into their demands in the first place. I seriously don't believe that either Visa or Mastercard would actually block payments since it would mean them leaving so much money on the table. The number of transactions happening everyday are no Amazon numbers, but it's far from chicken feed.