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♕Król Gąsior♕ 23 hours ago

An idea for achievement overhaul

Dear steam community,

This is an idea for all achievement collectors out there like me. Since many people are trying to complete their games 100%, I would like to suggest an enhancement to the achievements section. There are three main improvements that could be made:

Main game achievements section - this would track achievements related only to the base game (excluding DLCs and multiplayer activity).
DLCs section - each DLC should have a dedicated achievements section. The rarity percentage should be based only on players who own that particular DLC, not just the base game (unlike the current system)
Multiplayer achievements - many older games are impossible to 100% complete due to multiplayer achievements, as the servers may have been shut down or there may not be enough active players.

From my perspective, these changes would make achievements more transparent for all achievement hunters. Additionally, when purchasing a game, it would help users decide whether they need to buy specific DLCs to maximize their achievement progress. Some DLCs don’t contain any achievements and could be skipped, while others could be purchased later without affecting the base game’s achievement completion.

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Hey Im Recon 23 hours ago

The only change the achievements need is a proper reason to unlock them. Currently, there is zero reason to unlock achievements because there is no reward.

♕Król Gąsior♕ 23 hours ago

Originally posted by Hey Im Recon:
The only change the achievements need is a proper reason to unlock them. Currently, there is zero reason to unlock achievements because there is no reward.

I would speak for myself down there - for me only collecting them is enough of a purpose but I agree that for other people this might not be enough. Maybe implementing a rewards (like steam shop points) could make it more worthy for others?

Wolf Knight 23 hours ago

Originally posted by ♕Król Gąsior♕:
Originally posted by Hey Im Recon:
The only change the achievements need is a proper reason to unlock them. Currently, there is zero reason to unlock achievements because there is no reward.
I would speak for myself down there - for me only collecting them is enough of a purpose but I agree that for other people this might not be enough. Maybe implementing a rewards (like steam shop points) could make it more worthy for others?

game developers already have that option to reward you for getting an achievement. for the vast majority of players, achievements are not a selling point for games. with how easy it is to unlock them (SAM and other achievement unlockers, console commands, save game sharing, etc), there is no point in giving awards for unlocking besides giving players in game items.

Start_Running 22 hours ago

All these things are already possivble m8. Dev/pubs are free to remove unobtainable achievements but they generally don't since that's kind of a slap in the face for the people who did get them

HikariLight 22 hours ago

Originally posted by Hey Im Recon:
The only change the achievements need is a proper reason to unlock them. Currently, there is zero reason to unlock achievements because there is no reward.

Getting the achievement itself is the reward.
Why should you get another reward for that?
And as already stated, achievements can easily be cheated.

Start_Running 21 hours ago

Originally posted by HikariLight:
Originally posted by Hey Im Recon:
The only change the achievements need is a proper reason to unlock them. Currently, there is zero reason to unlock achievements because there is no reward.

Getting the achievement itself is the reward.
Why should you get another reward for that?
And as already stated, achievements can easily be cheated.

I used to struggle with understanding this mentality and then it clicked.
There's gamers, and this is night generational, that basically approach achievements like a chore list. Where as gamers like myself see a cheevo list like we see a list of rides and attractions at a resort or theme park.

Ben Lubar 21 hours ago

Originally posted by Wolf Knight:
Originally posted by ♕Król Gąsior♕:
I would speak for myself down there - for me only collecting them is enough of a purpose but I agree that for other people this might not be enough. Maybe implementing a rewards (like steam shop points) could make it more worthy for others?
game developers already have that option to reward you for getting an achievement. for the vast majority of players, achievements are not a selling point for games. with how easy it is to unlock them (SAM and other achievement unlockers, console commands, save game sharing, etc), there is no point in giving awards for unlocking besides giving players in game items.

There's even a mechanism in the Steam Inventory Service for automatically awarding players for getting an achievement in a different game. Similar to how TF2 gives you a hat for getting an achievement in Alien Swarm (although TF2 doesn't use the Steam Inventory Service).

Ben Lubar 21 hours ago

Originally posted by Start_Running:
All these things are already possivble m8. Dev/pubs are free to remove unobtainable achievements but they generally don't since that's kind of a slap in the face for the people who did get them

Also, if a company doesn't have the resources to keep running some servers, they definitely don't have the resources to get a programmer to rework whatever parts of the game assume those achievements will exist in the API. And that's on top of what you said.

I hope some day Valve gives other developers access to the achievement groups feature that TF2 uses, but right now that's TF2-only unfortunately.

Nx Machina 20 hours ago

If you are an achievement hunter, completionist you would buy the dlc's. As for multiplayer you would have played the game from release not years later.

Hey Im Recon 20 hours ago

Originally posted by HikariLight:

Why should you get another reward for that?

Because some achievements are incredibly hard and stupid. Some require you to do daft stuff in multiplayer that will be down to pure luck if you're able to do it or not.

And as already stated, achievements can easily be cheated.

Fully aware, which is why Steam should ban users who use such programs.

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Wolf Knight 20 hours ago

Originally posted by Hey Im Recon:
Originally posted by HikariLight:

Why should you get another reward for that?

Because some achievements are incredibly hard and stupid. Some require you to do daft stuff in multiplayer that will be down to pure luck if you're able to do it or not.

And as already stated, achievements can easily be cheated.

Fully aware, which is why Steam should ban users who use such programs.

and how is steam suppose to know you use such a program? it looks the same as a console command, so your going to ban people for using steams built in system? how about save game sharing? it looks the same as playing offline.

if an achievement is incredibly hard and you feel it deserves a reward for getting, talk to that games developer. its their achievement, their decision on what to award (if anything).

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Crazy Tiger 20 hours ago

Originally posted by Hey Im Recon:
Fully aware, which is why Steam should ban users who use such programs.

They can't. Those program use Steams own API, just like the games do. Steam cannot distinguish it.

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Ben Lubar 20 hours ago

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:
Originally posted by Hey Im Recon:
Fully aware, which is why Steam should ban users who use such programs.
They can't. Those program use Steams own API, just like the games do. Steam cannot distinguish it.

Also, even if they could determine whether it was the actual game or a third party tool or an in-development version of the game, there are plenty of ways to get achievements in a game that you didn't earn the normal way without using a piece of third party software. "Achievement saves" have existed long before SAM did.

At the end of the day, the people who cheat in singleplayer games to get achievements aren't hurting anyone and they're buying the games. Banning them would just result in lost customers. It's not like multiplayer cheating where it damages the experience of other players.

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BJWyler 14 hours ago

Originally posted by Hey Im Recon:
Originally posted by HikariLight:

Why should you get another reward for that?

Because some achievements are incredibly hard and stupid. Some require you to do daft stuff in multiplayer that will be down to pure luck if you're able to do it or not.

And being able to accomplish said task is the reward in its own right. Otherwise just give yourself a pat on the back, because that's all a meaningless chore in a game is worth.

Originally posted by Hey Im Recon:
And as already stated, achievements can easily be cheated.

Fully aware, which is why Steam should ban users who use such programs.

Nope. There are more ways to cheat achievements than a third party program.

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Start_Running 14 hours ago

Originally posted by BJWyler:
Originally posted by Hey Im Recon:

Fully aware, which is why Steam should ban users who use such programs.
Nope. There are more ways to cheat achievements than a third party program.

In many cases just copying a save file is eenough.
Or using built in dev consoles/launch commands

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