Originally posted by Alien6700:

...you can only refund if your within 1 hour of playtime in a game...

Played less than 2 hours and owned less than 2 weeks.

Originally posted by Alien6700:

It should be possible for people to disable Automatic Updates on games that you own.

So you can keep playing the games the way you purchased them, people get screwed over in many different ways on steam, like developers taking content out of games that you already paid for then selling it as seperate DLC's so now you have to pay again for something you already paid for.

Recently the disaster with Ark Survival Evolved is another reason why we should be able to disable automatic updates.

i'm surprised there's no protection in place for the customers on steam, you can only refund if your within 1 hour of playtime in a game, while steam is full of scams, asset flips, shady developers, trolls and so on.

Please make it possible to disable automatic updates for games that you own, it's only fair to do so and it will stop a lot of future drama from happening!

https://steamhost.cn/subscriber_agreement/

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A. General Content and Services License

Steam and your Subscription(s) require the download and installation of Content and Services onto your computer. Valve hereby grants, and you accept, a non-exclusive license and right, to use the Content and Services for your personal, non-commercial use (except where commercial use is expressly allowed herein or in the applicable Subscription Terms). This license ends upon termination of (a) this Agreement or (b) a Subscription that includes the license. The Content and Services are licensed, not sold. Your license confers no title or ownership in the Content and Services. To make use of the Content and Services, you must have a Steam Account and you may be required to be running the Steam client and maintaining a connection to the Internet.

For reasons that include, without limitation, system security, stability, and multiplayer interoperability, Valve may need to automatically update, pre-load, create new versions of or otherwise enhance the Content and Services and accordingly, the system requirements to use the Content and Services may change over time.

You consent to such automatic updating. You understand that this Agreement (including applicable Subscription Terms) does not entitle you to future updates (unless to the extent required by applicable law), new versions or other enhancements of the Content and Services associated with a particular Subscription, although Valve may choose to provide such updates, etc. in its sole discretion.

From what you agreed to. I suggest reading those prior to agreeing to them.

What happened in ARK this time?

Originally posted by The Living Tribunal:

Originally posted by Alien6700:

It should be possible for people to disable Automatic Updates on games that you own.

So you can keep playing the games the way you purchased them, people get screwed over in many different ways on steam, like developers taking content out of games that you already paid for then selling it as seperate DLC's so now you have to pay again for something you already paid for.

Recently the disaster with Ark Survival Evolved is another reason why we should be able to disable automatic updates.

i'm surprised there's no protection in place for the customers on steam, you can only refund if your within 1 hour of playtime in a game, while steam is full of scams, asset flips, shady developers, trolls and so on.

Please make it possible to disable automatic updates for games that you own, it's only fair to do so and it will stop a lot of future drama from happening!

https://steamhost.cn/subscriber_agreement/

2. LICENSES ⏶

A. General Content and Services License

Steam and your Subscription(s) require the download and installation of Content and Services onto your computer. Valve hereby grants, and you accept, a non-exclusive license and right, to use the Content and Services for your personal, non-commercial use (except where commercial use is expressly allowed herein or in the applicable Subscription Terms). This license ends upon termination of (a) this Agreement or (b) a Subscription that includes the license. The Content and Services are licensed, not sold. Your license confers no title or ownership in the Content and Services. To make use of the Content and Services, you must have a Steam Account and you may be required to be running the Steam client and maintaining a connection to the Internet.

For reasons that include, without limitation, system security, stability, and multiplayer interoperability, Valve may need to automatically update, pre-load, create new versions of or otherwise enhance the Content and Services and accordingly, the system requirements to use the Content and Services may change over time.

You consent to such automatic updating. You understand that this Agreement (including applicable Subscription Terms) does not entitle you to future updates (unless to the extent required by applicable law), new versions or other enhancements of the Content and Services associated with a particular Subscription, although Valve may choose to provide such updates, etc. in its sole discretion.

From what you agreed to. I suggest reading those prior to agreeing to them.

Precisely. The user is not entitled to updates, and Valve has sole discretion as to whether the latest update is delivered, so Valve is not forced to provide updates. So he is perfectly right to ask for a reasonable change to how Valve issues the updates.

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

Precisely. The user is not entitled to updates, and Valve has sole discretion as to whether the latest update is delivered, so Valve is not forced to provide updates. So he is perfectly right to ask for a reasonable change to how Valve issues the updates.

You should read the EULA's you agree to which allow you to download, install and play a game.

A game from your library:

Lords of the Fallen:

https://steamhost.cn/eula/1501750_eula_0

PATCHES, UPDATES AND CHANGES

CIG may (but is not obliged to) patch, update or change Lords of The Fallen over time (e.g., to add or remove features, to resolve software bugs or to balance the Game). This will result in mandatory and/or automatic updates and older, non-updated versions may become unusable over time. CI Games needs these rights in order to keep Lords of The Fallen running efficiently and thus CIG reserves the right to do this without notice or liability to you.


Valve do not create patches for 3rd party games and they do not decide if 3rd party games automatically update or use versioning or beta branches, the 3rd party developers do.

Paradox have used beta branches for Hearts of Iron IV since 2016 and Motion Twin have used beta branches for Dead Cells since 2018. Both stop automatic updating and allow you to remain on a specific branch because that is how they, the developers set it up.

For Hearts of Iron IV i play an older build with compatible mods from Steam Workshop and for Dead Cells i can play any version of the game.

Developer's can also roll back updates as Elventh Hour Games did for Last Epoch.

"rules" that prevent consumers from accessing and using a game they purchased and choosing at any time the version they want as much as they want should be dismissed. whe whole "it's a license not a game!" red herring should stop as well. nobody buys bread and is being told "well you just bought the right to eat it, you don't own the bakery!!!" nor expects to own the bakery. i have some games like skyrim taking 15GB of extra space with a backup just in case i'd want to play it and bethesda would have intentionally messed up mods again with bs updates

The rules don't prevent you from running an older version. The license entitles you to run any released version you want. This is how all software works. You don't suddenly become in breach of the contract because you ignored rhe update. You have a perfect right to run any version you please. Valve even lets you fetch older versions through the console, but not in a particularly user friendly manner.

The issue is just that Valve has not configured their software to offer the option to not update, which they could do. People keep imagining legal restrictions that are not there.

haven't they been removing tons of previous versions of games from the depots ? i think i came across multiple games for which people wanted to downgrade but could not because of this

I do not know as I have not used that system vigorously. Assuming that is the case, if Valve will not provide, the users can simply provide such through other means. The license is to run the software, after all.

That said, users typically do that for updates that negatively impact the game in my experience and not often to help people with mod problems.

Originally posted by Rainbow Dash:

haven't they been removing tons of previous versions of games from the depots ? i think i came across multiple games for which people wanted to downgrade but could not because of this

Only game developers can set up the versioning and only they can remove older versions.

So if an older version is no longer available, then you need to ask the devs of the game.

Valve gave them the framework for it, but does not control what they do with it or if they use it.

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

I do not know as I have not used that system vigorously. Assuming that is the case, if Valve will not provide, the users can simply provide such through other means. The license is to run the software, after all.

That said, users typically do that for updates that negatively impact the game in my experience and not often to help people with mod problems.

Mods are not official content, thus the devs are not required to take them into account when it comes to updating the game.

Too many mods exist for the devs to take them into account on how a game update might affect them.

And the game devs cannot update any mods themselves as only the mod maker has the right to do that.

Valve has provided the framework for versioning, but it is up to the devs to use it and maintain any and all versions they create.

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

The rules don't prevent you from running an older version. The license entitles you to run any released version you want. This is how all software works. You don't suddenly become in breach of the contract because you ignored rhe update. You have a perfect right to run any version you please. Valve even lets you fetch older versions through the console, but not in a particularly user friendly manner.

The issue is just that Valve has not configured their software to offer the option to not update, which they could do. People keep imagining legal restrictions that are not there.

Steam was built around keeping games up to date.

And no you do not have the right to run what ever version you please.

Learn to read the EULA.

You only have the right to use the version the devs give you access to.

The Steamworks documentation that Valve distributes for game developers says that the Steam updating process is a core principle of Steam.

You shouldn't expect a change there. You're free to use platforms that have updating options you prefer.

Originally posted by HikariLight:

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

I do not know as I have not used that system vigorously. Assuming that is the case, if Valve will not provide, the users can simply provide such through other means. The license is to run the software, after all.

That said, users typically do that for updates that negatively impact the game in my experience and not often to help people with mod problems.

Mods are not official content, thus the devs are not required to take them into account when it comes to updating the game.

Too many mods exist for the devs to take them into account on how a game update might affect them.

And the game devs cannot update any mods themselves as only the mod maker has the right to do that.

Valve has provided the framework for versioning, but it is up to the devs to use it and maintain any and all versions they create.

Nobody is asking the devs to put in any additional effort here. Everyone knows updates break mods. Users do not want additional support from the devs because that means updates. They are asking for precisely nothing: no additional work. No change. Nothing of your post has any relevance to the issue. Please read OP more carefully.

Originally posted by HikariLight:

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

The rules don't prevent you from running an older version. The license entitles you to run any released version you want. This is how all software works. You don't suddenly become in breach of the contract because you ignored rhe update. You have a perfect right to run any version you please. Valve even lets you fetch older versions through the console, but not in a particularly user friendly manner.

The issue is just that Valve has not configured their software to offer the option to not update, which they could do. People keep imagining legal restrictions that are not there.

Steam was built around keeping games up to date.

And no you do not have the right to run what ever version you please.

Learn to read the EULA.

You only have the right to use the version the devs give you access to.

Precisely. Every version that is released is one the devs have given you access to. This does not contradict anything I have said. I understand EULAs quite well.

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

Originally posted by HikariLight:

Mods are not official content, thus the devs are not required to take them into account when it comes to updating the game.

Too many mods exist for the devs to take them into account on how a game update might affect them.

And the game devs cannot update any mods themselves as only the mod maker has the right to do that.

Valve has provided the framework for versioning, but it is up to the devs to use it and maintain any and all versions they create.

Nobody is asking the devs to put in any additional effort here. Everyone knows updates break mods. Users do not want additional support from the devs because that means updates. They are asking for precisely nothing: no additional work. No change. Nothing of your post has any relevance to the issue. Please read OP more carefully.

Originally posted by HikariLight:

Steam was built around keeping games up to date.

And no you do not have the right to run what ever version you please.

Learn to read the EULA.

You only have the right to use the version the devs give you access to.

Precisely. Every version that is released is one the devs have given you access to. This does not contradict anything I have said. I understand EULAs quite well.

How about you realize that the reason users don't want updates is due to mods?

If the devs do not provide separate version access, then users will have no choice but to update the game, thus breaking the mods they have installed.

And the fact that you say user have the right to pick what version they use is wrong, as users do not have that right unless the devs give them that right.
The devs are not required, not obligated to give that right.

Steam's core function is to keep games up to date.
They will not force devs to do things they do not want, so if a dev does not want to allow for versioning, then they don't have to.

Originally posted by HikariLight:

Originally posted by William Shakesman:

Nobody is asking the devs to put in any additional effort here. Everyone knows updates break mods. Users do not want additional support from the devs because that means updates. They are asking for precisely nothing: no additional work. No change. Nothing of your post has any relevance to the issue. Please read OP more carefully.




Precisely. Every version that is released is one the devs have given you access to. This does not contradict anything I have said. I understand EULAs quite well.

How about you realize that the reason users don't want updates is due to mods?

If the devs do not provide separate version access, then users will have no choice but to update the game, thus breaking the mods they have installed.

And the fact that you say user have the right to pick what version they use is wrong, as users do not have that right unless the devs give them that right.
The devs are not required, not obligated to give that right.

Steam's core function is to keep games up to date.
They will not force devs to do things they do not want, so if a dev does not want to allow for versioning, then they don't have to.

Updates are issued at Valve's sole discretion. Not the devs. Valve would not be forcing the devs to do anything as updates are totally within Valve's control. The dev does not provide any versions. That is entirely a Valve function. Valve decides when updates are pushed out and how. They even keep the old versions and make them available for the users in the console.

It would help if you understood that users using mods do not need or want updates because they are using mods. No additional work on the dev's part is needed here. OP made this abundantly clear. Please read more carefully. You still seem very confused on the issue.

And no. The license absolutely gives the user the ability to run any released version of the software. Read the EULA. It is quite clear. A user running in offline mode does not suddenly become a pirate because he missed an update. This is what it means to buy a license after all.