Steam 100% Achievements: Should DLCs Be Required?

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Arthrazes 23 Jul @ 9:24am

I don’t know if there’s already a topic about this, but I came from PlayStation and I really value achievements.

Over there, we have the “platinum” trophy, which means you’ve earned all the base game trophies, regardless of the DLCs. When I got to Steam, I noticed that to get the platinum, which here is called a “perfect game”, i also need to unlock all the DLC achievements. That’s already a bit annoying because most of these DLCs are paid separately, so if I want to “platinum” a game, besides buying the game itself, I’m also required to buy ALL of its DLCs, something that doesn’t happen on PlayStation.

On top of that, some games (like Dead by Daylight) constantly release new DLCs, so having a 100% completed game is only temporary (there’s a new DLC every 3 months or so). It would be perfect if there were a separation between base game achievements and DLC achievements. That way, you’d get a title for completing all base game achievements without depending on the DLCs.

I understand this isn’t really Steam’s focus, but it’s something I miss. It’s not that I want Steam to be like PlayStation, far from it, i actually prefer Steam much more <3. But I think this is one feature I miss from there, and it could make Steam even more perfect.

P.S.: I know this account doesn’t have a lot of achievements, I created it recently (less than a month ago) and I’m still grinding.

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Mad Scientist 23 Jul @ 9:29am

Originally posted by Arthrazes:
I don’t know if there’s already a topic about this

achievement hunters that prefer 100% tend to make this suggestion, two of which are very recently suggested.

If achievement hunters do not wish to do all of the achievements, they should buy a game without dlc/expansions while also considering that if they wait for something like multiplayer games to purchase, some may no longer be obtainable over time.

All that matters is the game itself is enjoyable, achievements are basically "you made it to the end of the game" but typically have more achievements for fps multiplayer, dlc content etc. If it's that predictable that more achievements are added to games with roadmaps of DLCs, people that only want to focus on 100% should avoid buying it if they don't want to purchase the DLC to achieve 100% of the total pool of achievements. Either way, achievements are unimportant, enjoyment of the game is all that matters.

ꉔꏂ꒐꒒ꇙ 23 Jul @ 9:29am

Originally posted by Arthrazes:
Steam 100% Achievements: Should DLCs Be Required?

I mean, on console (PS4) you get the main game trophies and then you see the DLC trophy progression. Dead by Daylight has like two separate (3?) trophy cases. I haven't been on my PS4 in years so, there's probably more.

But I think it's up to the Dev of whatever game to split their Achievements up, which non do (on Steam) and everything gets put together (singleplayer+multiplayer achievements tied together, base game+dlc achievements tied together etc)

So, ask the Dev (if I remember correctly that this is the way it works on Steam)

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:
Either way, achievements are unimportant, enjoyment of the game is all that matters.

Achievements are unimportant, to you, not everyone else in the world. You can enjoy a game more going for the game's Achievements. Just depends on what they have you do for them lol

And if people want separate achievement sections (to keep their main/base game at 100%) they'd have to go on console.

Last edited by ꉔꏂ꒐꒒ꇙ; 23 Jul @ 9:33am

Arthrazes 23 Jul @ 9:33am

Originally posted by ꉔꏂ꒐꒒ꇙ:
Originally posted by Arthrazes:
Steam 100% Achievements: Should DLCs Be Required?

I mean, on console (PS4) you get the main game trophies and then you see the DLC trophy progression. Dead by Daylight has like two separate (3?) trophy cases. I haven't been on my PS4 in years so, there's probably more.

But I think it's up to the Dev of whatever game to split their Achievements up, which non do and everything gets put together (singleplayer+multiplayer achievements tied together, base game+dlc achievements tied together etc)

So, ask the Dev (if I remember correctly that this is the way it works on Steam)

So, that's exactly what I think would be cool, to have the possibility for the developer to separate the achievements, or not. It's just that currently, as far as I know, Steam doesn't allow devs to separate achievements.

BJWyler 23 Jul @ 9:33am

If you had bothered to do a search, you would have discovered that this is a regular topic.

This is the PC platform, and not the console platform. The console nonsense can stay where it belongs.
If you want 100%, then you do 100%, including all the content that comes later - be it free or in a paid DLC. Simple as. There is no issue with how Steam handles achievements. You either have done ALL the content in a game or you have not.

I am a completionist and I find it completely fair that one needs to do ALL the content in a game to get 100%. You know what I find unfair? Those who want to "cheat" and manipulate the system to pretend to have done 100% of a game's content when they really haven't done 100% of a game's content. You know, maybe Steam should get involved and make sure people can't cheat like that.

Here's another point to ponder, why should someone get to have 100% for a game without the DLC content when someone else got a true 100% by doing it with all the extra content?

https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/discussions/forum/search/?gidforum=882959061469928464&include_deleted=1&q=Separate+dlc+achievements+

Last edited by BJWyler; 23 Jul @ 9:35am

nullable 23 Jul @ 9:36am

I mean your point is understandable, from a certain point of view. But it's also just one implementation and neither one is wrong in a Playstation vs Steam comparison. And neither is having a preference or valueing achievements.

I don't have many Perfect Games, so I could be biased. And I wouldn't be bothered if any of them dropped new content and added achievements. I mean the number of times I've almost had all the achievements in Terraria before a significant update added more is approaching double digits. But it's ok, because additional content and improvements are worth a lot more to me than achievements are. Terraria doesn't have DLC by the way, the game just keeps getting significant updates. So, in at least some instances you're always going to be dealing with a moving target.

cinedine 23 Jul @ 9:37am

A platinum trophy is not the same as a perfect game on Steam.
A 100 % is a 100 % - including all additional achievments - on every single platform.

Arthrazes 23 Jul @ 9:39am

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:
Originally posted by Arthrazes:
I don’t know if there’s already a topic about this
achievement hunters that prefer 100% tend to make this suggestion, two of which are very recently suggested.

If achievement hunters do not wish to do all of the achievements, they should buy a game without dlc/expansions while also considering that if they wait for something like multiplayer games to purchase, some may no longer be obtainable over time.

All that matters is the game itself is enjoyable, achievements are basically "you made it to the end of the game" but typically have more achievements for fps multiplayer, dlc content etc. If it's that predictable that more achievements are added to games with roadmaps of DLCs, people that only want to focus on 100% should avoid buying it if they don't want to purchase the DLC to achieve 100% of the total pool of achievements. Either way, achievements are unimportant, enjoyment of the game is all that matters.

I understand your point, but I think it would be a nice addition if achievements could be separated, and it should be up to the developer to decide. This isn't just something that has to come from Steam, they can't force devs to add achievements or to separate them. I know it’s not a big deal, but it’s something I would really like. I agree that the most important thing is to have fun playing the game, but sometimes this feature motivates me to play a game a bit more just to get the achievements I'm missing. I enjoy that.

Chronocide 23 Jul @ 9:39am

Originally posted by Arthrazes:
I don’t know if there’s already a topic about this, but I came from PlayStation and I really value achievements.

Over there, we have the “platinum” trophy, which means you’ve earned all the base game trophies, regardless of the DLCs. When I got to Steam, I noticed that to get the platinum, which here is called a “perfect game”, i also need to unlock all the DLC achievements. That’s already a bit annoying because most of these DLCs are paid separately, so if I want to “platinum” a game, besides buying the game itself, I’m also required to buy ALL of its DLCs, something that doesn’t happen on PlayStation.

On top of that, some games (like Dead by Daylight) constantly release new DLCs, so having a 100% completed game is only temporary (there’s a new DLC every 3 months or so). It would be perfect if there were a separation between base game achievements and DLC achievements. That way, you’d get a title for completing all base game achievements without depending on the DLCs.

I understand this isn’t really Steam’s focus, but it’s something I miss. It’s not that I want Steam to be like PlayStation, far from it, i actually prefer Steam much more <3. But I think this is one feature I miss from there, and it could make Steam even more perfect.

P.S.: I know this account doesn’t have a lot of achievements, I created it recently (less than a month ago) and I’m still grinding.

So I used to be in your boat, having grown up with several games that had very good use of achievements. Skyrim in particular, really uses their achievements to enhance enjoyment of the game.

And then you play certain other games, and their achievements are either lazy, pure grind, or just impossible. They force you to play aspects of the game which are not fun.

I no longer associate game completion with achievements. Too many companies just don't do them right for it to be a valid measure of completion.

There is something called the "steam achievement manager". It's a mod of some sort that allows the user to enable or disable achievements on steam. As far as I know, it's allowed on steam. One thing it really hammers home is how meaningless the achievements are. You could 100% complete a game with just a few clicks...

ꉔꏂ꒐꒒ꇙ 23 Jul @ 9:39am

Originally posted by BJWyler:
There is no issue with how Steam handles achievements. You either have done ALL the content in a game or you have not.

I am a completionist and I find it completely fair that one needs to do ALL the content in a game to get 100%.

There is an issue though. Just because you think playing the game+DLC = is the only way to properly get 100% for a game is not true. I don't count DLC. If you do, that's you.

Everyone thinks differently but what you said isn't the only way to do it, it is the way "You" (and maybe some others) do it.

Originally posted by Arthrazes:
So, that's exactly what I think would be cool, to have the possibility for the developer to separate the achievements, or not. It's just that currently, as far as I know, Steam doesn't allow devs to separate achievements.

Yeah, definitely would be cool but you are right, they didn't implement it.

"Currently, Steam does not allow developers to separate DLC achievements from the base game achievements.

Most developers add achievements to the base game's AppID, meaning that new DLC achievements are often merged with the existing achievements of the base game.

This approach can lead to players losing their 100% completion status if they only complete the base game content without the DLC. While there are discussions about this issue, it appears that Steam has not implemented a system to separate these achievements effectively"

And sucks when you have 100% and the Dev updates the game with a couple more Achievements lol

Last edited by ꉔꏂ꒐꒒ꇙ; 23 Jul @ 9:41am

Arthrazes 23 Jul @ 9:44am

Originally posted by BJWyler:
If you had bothered to do a search, you would have discovered that this is a regular topic.

This is the PC platform, and not the console platform. The console nonsense can stay where it belongs.
If you want 100%, then you do 100%, including all the content that comes later - be it free or in a paid DLC. Simple as. There is no issue with how Steam handles achievements. You either have done ALL the content in a game or you have not.

I am a completionist and I find it completely fair that one needs to do ALL the content in a game to get 100%. You know what I find unfair? Those who want to "cheat" and manipulate the system to pretend to have done 100% of a game's content when they really haven't done 100% of a game's content. You know, maybe Steam should get involved and make sure people can't cheat like that.

Here's another point to ponder, why should someone get to have 100% for a game without the DLC content when someone else got a true 100% by doing it with all the extra content?

https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/discussions/forum/search/?gidforum=882959061469928464&include_deleted=1&q=Separate+dlc+achievements+

I understand your frustration, I also don't like it when people try to cheat on Steam to get achievements, especially using SAM. And I don't want to take away the merit from those who actually completed 100% of the game, including the DLCs. On PlayStation, you have the Platinum trophy, which is related to the base game, but your achievement percentage still reflects all achievements. My suggestion wouldn't be to get rid of 100%, but rather to add something for people who completed the base game, while still giving credit to those who went the extra mile to complete everything.

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Arthrazes 23 Jul @ 9:46am

Originally posted by nullable:
I mean your point is understandable, from a certain point of view. But it's also just one implementation and neither one is wrong in a Playstation vs Steam comparison. And neither is having a preference or valueing achievements.

I don't have many Perfect Games, so I could be biased. And I wouldn't be bothered if any of them dropped new content and added achievements. I mean the number of times I've almost had all the achievements in Terraria before a significant update added more is approaching double digits. But it's ok, because additional content and improvements are worth a lot more to me than achievements are. Terraria doesn't have DLC by the way, the game just keeps getting significant updates. So, in at least some instances you're always going to be dealing with a moving target.

Of course, I’m not saying that one is right and the other is wrong. It’s just something I think would be nice to have on Steam, something to add, not to remove anything that already exists. It would just be something extra.

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Arthrazes 23 Jul @ 9:48am

Originally posted by cinedine:
A platinum trophy is not the same as a perfect game on Steam.
A 100 % is a 100 % - including all additional achievments - on every single platform.

I know, I just think it would be nice to add something in between, a middle ground for the base game, like playstation.

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Arthrazes 23 Jul @ 9:52am

Originally posted by Chronocide:
Originally posted by Arthrazes:
I don’t know if there’s already a topic about this, but I came from PlayStation and I really value achievements.

Over there, we have the “platinum” trophy, which means you’ve earned all the base game trophies, regardless of the DLCs. When I got to Steam, I noticed that to get the platinum, which here is called a “perfect game”, i also need to unlock all the DLC achievements. That’s already a bit annoying because most of these DLCs are paid separately, so if I want to “platinum” a game, besides buying the game itself, I’m also required to buy ALL of its DLCs, something that doesn’t happen on PlayStation.

On top of that, some games (like Dead by Daylight) constantly release new DLCs, so having a 100% completed game is only temporary (there’s a new DLC every 3 months or so). It would be perfect if there were a separation between base game achievements and DLC achievements. That way, you’d get a title for completing all base game achievements without depending on the DLCs.

I understand this isn’t really Steam’s focus, but it’s something I miss. It’s not that I want Steam to be like PlayStation, far from it, i actually prefer Steam much more <3. But I think this is one feature I miss from there, and it could make Steam even more perfect.

P.S.: I know this account doesn’t have a lot of achievements, I created it recently (less than a month ago) and I’m still grinding.
So I used to be in your boat, having grown up with several games that had very good use of achievements. Skyrim in particular, really uses their achievements to enhance enjoyment of the game.

And then you play certain other games, and their achievements are either lazy, pure grind, or just impossible. They force you to play aspects of the game which are not fun.

I no longer associate game completion with achievements. Too many companies just don't do them right for it to be a valid measure of completion.

There is something called the "steam achievement manager". It's a mod of some sort that allows the user to enable or disable achievements on steam. As far as I know, it's allowed on steam. One thing it really hammers home is how meaningless the achievements are. You could 100% complete a game with just a few clicks...

YES, SKYRIM <3 My favorite game! I got the platinum trophy on both PS3 and PS4, including the DLCs. I had the same impression as you, achievements on Steam are really undervalued, when they even exist at all. I still haven’t lost hope, though; there are some good games out there with great achievements. If you want, I can recommend a few (on this account I don’t have any games at 100%, but on an old one I managed to complete some).

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Arthrazes 23 Jul @ 9:58am

Originally posted by ꉔꏂ꒐꒒ꇙ:
Originally posted by BJWyler:
There is no issue with how Steam handles achievements. You either have done ALL the content in a game or you have not.

I am a completionist and I find it completely fair that one needs to do ALL the content in a game to get 100%.

There is an issue though. Just because you think playing the game+DLC = is the only way to properly get 100% for a game is not true. I don't count DLC. If you do, that's you.

Everyone thinks differently but what you said isn't the only way to do it, it is the way "You" (and maybe some others) do it.

Originally posted by Arthrazes:
So, that's exactly what I think would be cool, to have the possibility for the developer to separate the achievements, or not. It's just that currently, as far as I know, Steam doesn't allow devs to separate achievements.

Yeah, definitely would be cool but you are right, they didn't implement it.

"Currently, Steam does not allow developers to separate DLC achievements from the base game achievements.

Most developers add achievements to the base game's AppID, meaning that new DLC achievements are often merged with the existing achievements of the base game.

This approach can lead to players losing their 100% completion status if they only complete the base game content without the DLC. While there are discussions about this issue, it appears that Steam has not implemented a system to separate these achievements effectively"

And sucks when you have 100% and the Dev updates the game with a couple more Achievements lol

Wow man, thanks! You were one of the most understanding people about this topic. Most people seem to really hate achievements, LOL. A lot of devs don't even care about achievements, Ubisoft, for example, has their own achievement system on their launcher, but not on Steam. Only recently did they start adding achievements, and even then, not for all games, so sometimes it really is the devs' fault. But it would be really nice if Steam allowed that kind of separation. Honestly, it's really frustrating to have a game 100% completed and then have to keep grinding almost endlessly just to maintain it, LOL.